Why did they go out like that?

REF> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
REF> Joker
REF> <post_master RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>> OK, let me preface this with, I love the books. I love the good, the
>> bad
>> and the ugly. The stories are engaging and the characters memorable.
>> With
>> that being said, why did certain characters go out like chumps?

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>> Case in point, Locky is a worldly character who could take care of
>> himself,
>> but get murdered and dumped in a grain bin! No explanation, no
>> heroics,
>> just offed and dumped. And Arutha, died of complications of a broken
>> hip,
>> due to a slip I believe? I am not here to correct you Ray, but why
>> did you
>> choose such mundane exits?

REF> Because not everyone gets an exit speech like Hamlet. Because over
REF> the
REF> course of my life I've seen too many people suddenly check out.
REF> Sometimes you lose someone for what would be comic reasons if the
REF> loss
REF> wasn't such a blow to endure.

REF> I had a friend in elementary school who picked up a gun to clean it
REF> and
REF> before he could empty out the chamber, shot himself. I had a
REF> friend
REF> from high school who went in for surgery, a minor procedure,
REF> actually,
REF> who was one of the .0006 percent who never wake up from a general
REF> anesthesia. I had a buddy from college who got some drugs that
REF> were
REF> "too pure," and they put him into a cardiac arrest and he was dead
REF> at
REF> the age of 22. Last year I lost a friend who was sitting on her
REF> motorcycle waiting for the light to change, and she was struck from
REF> behind by a drunk in an SUV, dead before the paramedics got to her.

REF> Characters like Locklear and Greylock died because dramatically it
REF> was
REF> time for them to go, and they are emblematic that when that time
REF> comes,
REF> you don't get to negotiate.

REF> If you swallow a fish bone and are choking in a restaurant, you
REF> don't
REF> get to call a time out so you can dial home and say your goodbyes.
REF> If
REF> you're plane crashes, your boat sinks, your car leaps the center
REF> divider, or any number of things, that's it. The End. Nothing
REF> more.

REF> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand that.
REF> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters,
REF> Falstaff,
REF> off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's good enough
REF> for
REF> me.

REF> Best, R.E.F.

I see. Sorry for your losses, but I can see now how that has influenced
your writing.
--
Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
Gen. 21:6
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

I agree with above.
Death isn't heroic. it comes when you don't want it.


"~misfit~" <misfit61nz RemoveThis @oohay.co.nz> schreef in bericht
news:44209334@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> Raymond E. Feist wrote:
>> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
>> <post_master RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, let me preface this with, I love the books. I love the good,
>>> the bad and the ugly. The stories are engaging and the characters
>>> memorable. With that being said, why did certain characters go out
>>> like chumps?
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>>> Case in point, Locky is a worldly character who could take care of
>>> himself, but get murdered and dumped in a grain bin! No
>>> explanation, no heroics, just offed and dumped. And Arutha, died of
>>> complications of a broken hip, due to a slip I believe? I am not
>>> here to correct you Ray, but why did you choose such mundane exits?
>>
>> Because not everyone gets an exit speech like Hamlet. Because over
>> the course of my life I've seen too many people suddenly check out.
>> Sometimes you lose someone for what would be comic reasons if the loss
>> wasn't such a blow to endure.
>>
>> I had a friend in elementary school who picked up a gun to clean it
>> and before he could empty out the chamber, shot himself. I had a
>> friend from high school who went in for surgery, a minor procedure,
>> actually, who was one of the .0006 percent who never wake up from a
>> general anesthesia. I had a buddy from college who got some drugs
>> that were "too pure," and they put him into a cardiac arrest and he
>> was dead at the age of 22. Last year I lost a friend who was sitting
>> on her motorcycle waiting for the light to change, and she was struck
>> from behind by a drunk in an SUV, dead before the paramedics got to
>> her.
>>
>> Characters like Locklear and Greylock died because dramatically it was
>> time for them to go, and they are emblematic that when that time
>> comes, you don't get to negotiate.
>>
>> If you swallow a fish bone and are choking in a restaurant, you don't
>> get to call a time out so you can dial home and say your goodbyes. If
>> you're plane crashes, your boat sinks, your car leaps the center
>> divider, or any number of things, that's it. The End. Nothing more.
>>
>> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand that.
>> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters, Falstaff,
>> off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's good enough for
>> me.
>
> Excellent reply Ray. It's because you think like you do that I keep
> reading your work. I was thinking almost exactly the same thing you wrote
> when I read Joker's question. I, too, have seen a few "mundane exits",
> it's part of life and part of what makes your books so accessible and
> compelling. (Actually just recommended your books to a long-time reader
> friend). I guess age teaches you some things huh? I've been reading your
> books as they were published since Magician so I have a few years on the
> clock.
>
> May your life be filled with love, light and laughter.
> --
> ~Shaun~
>
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

m> Joker wrote:
>>> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>>> Joker
>>> <post_master.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand that.
>>> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters,
>>> Falstaff,
>>> off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's good enough
>>> for
>>> me.

>>> Best, R.E.F.

>> I see. Sorry for your losses, but I can see now how that has
>> influenced your writing.

m> Joker, your newsreader is set up in such a wat that it doesn't
m> conform with
m> the (albeit loose) standards set down for usenet. I refer in
m> particular to
m> the use of "REF>" as an indent. I can't quote it to show you as my
m> newsreader (Outlook Express running with the shell programme
m> OEQuotefix)
m> automagically corrects it. However, with newsreaders that don't, it
m> very
m> quickly makes longer threads unreadable.

m> Just FYI.
m> --
m> ~Shaun~

I use Fidolook and this is the way it was set up, but I am always open to
suggestions?
--
Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
Gen. 21:6
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

m> Joker wrote:
m>>> Joker wrote:
>>>>> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>>> Joker <post_master.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand
>>>>> that.
>>>>> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters,
>>>>> Falstaff, off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's
>>>>> good enough for me.

>>>>> Best, R.E.F.

>>>> I see. Sorry for your losses, but I can see now how that has
>>>> influenced your writing.

m>>> Joker, your newsreader is set up in such a wat that it doesn't
m>>> conform with the (albeit loose) standards set down for usenet. I
m>>> refer in particular to the use of "REF>" as an indent. I can't
m>>> quote it to show you as my newsreader (Outlook Express running with
m>>> the shell programme
m>>> OEQuotefix)
m>>> automagically corrects it. However, with newsreaders that don't, it
m>>> very quickly makes longer threads unreadable.

m>>> Just FYI.
m>>> --
m>>> ~Shaun~

>> I use Fidolook and this is the way it was set up, but I am always
>> open to suggestions?

m> See those "m"s up there? That's your newsreader putting them there.
m> Do you see anyone else doing that? Earlier it was putting 'REF' and
m> something else.
m> It's ugly and inpracticle. A simple '> ' is what is the accepted
m> standard for usenet. You mustn't post much, I've seen some posters
m> really get attacked for doing what you're doing in other groups.

m> I suggest you set it to indent with '> ' and comply with the rest of
m> usenet commnity.
m> --
m> ~Shaun~

Well, I have been doing this a while and so far you are the only one with an
issue with it. From what I can tell, the initial, plus the '>' makes it
easier to see who said what. Using my News reader, I can easily see three
participants in the conversation. I have played with it, but nothing I do
seems to make it go away so I can even try it. I am seeking help on it.
--
Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
Gen. 21:6
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

Joker wrote:
> m> Joker wrote:
> m>>> Joker wrote:
>>>>>> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>>>> Joker <post_master.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters,
>>>>>> Falstaff, off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's
>>>>>> good enough for me.
>
>>>>>> Best, R.E.F.
>
>>>>> I see. Sorry for your losses, but I can see now how that has
>>>>> influenced your writing.
>
> m>>> Joker, your newsreader is set up in such a wat that it doesn't
> m>>> conform with the (albeit loose) standards set down for usenet. I
> m>>> refer in particular to the use of "REF>" as an indent. I can't
> m>>> quote it to show you as my newsreader (Outlook Express running
> with m>>> the shell programme
> m>>> OEQuotefix)
> m>>> automagically corrects it. However, with newsreaders that don't,
> it m>>> very quickly makes longer threads unreadable.
>
> m>>> Just FYI.
> m>>> --
> m>>> ~Shaun~
>
>>> I use Fidolook and this is the way it was set up, but I am always
>>> open to suggestions?
>
> m> See those "m"s up there? That's your newsreader putting them there.
> m> Do you see anyone else doing that? Earlier it was putting 'REF'
> and m> something else.
> m> It's ugly and inpracticle. A simple '> ' is what is the accepted
> m> standard for usenet. You mustn't post much, I've seen some posters
> m> really get attacked for doing what you're doing in other groups.
>
> m> I suggest you set it to indent with '> ' and comply with the rest
> of m> usenet commnity.
> m> --
> m> ~Shaun~
>
> Well, I have been doing this a while and so far you are the only one
> with an issue with it. From what I can tell, the initial, plus the
> '>' makes it easier to see who said what. Using my News reader, I
> can easily see three participants in the conversation.

However, using *my* newsreader it makes it more confusing. I can only
imagine how bad it would get with longer threads. The issue isn't tailoring
usenet to you, it's you fitting in with usenet conventions and etiquette.

> I have played
> with it, but nothing I do seems to make it go away

Part of me really wants to make a joke about that last bit. However, I'll
refrain.

> so I can even try
> it. I am seeking help on it.

Good to hear. When there are standards in place, albeit informal ones, it's
good when everybody adheres to them, it makes it easier for all.

From this site:

http://sixfiles.com/dbase/files/fidolook-group-fidolook.html

"This program dramatically enhance Outlook Express. Has comprehensive
approach for message headers, templates and quoting customization...."

Therefore you must be able to 'customise' the quoting to the standard, i.e.
'> '.

If you are unable to discover how to do it reply here and I'll install it on
one of my other machines and learn it and let you know how.

I notice that it doesn't conform to a lot of newsreader standards. A
'proper' newsreader will remove the sig when replying, everything after the
'sig delineator' which consists of '-- ' or '<hyphen><hyphen><space> alone
on a line. The whole idea of the delineator is that it's a cross-platform
standard that all newsreaders can observe. It seems Fidolook butchers the
top of the post, removing reference to who said what, instead. I'm not
impressed for what I see of it from this viewpoint.

Regards,
--
~Shaun~ (Deliberately not <snip>ing this thread to see what it ends up
looking like after a few replies with Fidolook).
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

> Joker wrote:
m>>> Joker wrote:
m>>>>> Joker wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <5EXTf.46181$2O6.16555@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>>>>> Joker <post_master.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> And I would not be a decent dramatists if I didn't understand
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> Shakespeare killed off one of his most popular characters,
>>>>>>> Falstaff, off stage, and if it's good enough for the Bard, it's
>>>>>>> good enough for me.
>>
>>>>>>> Best, R.E.F.
>>
>>>>>> I see. Sorry for your losses, but I can see now how that has
>>>>>> influenced your writing.
>>
m>>>>> Joker, your newsreader is set up in such a wat that it doesn't
m>>>>> conform with the (albeit loose) standards set down for usenet. I
m>>>>> refer in particular to the use of "REF>" as an indent. I can't
m>>>>> quote it to show you as my newsreader (Outlook Express running
with m>>>>> the shell programme
m>>>>> OEQuotefix)
m>>>>> automagically corrects it. However, with newsreaders that don't,
it m>>>>> very quickly makes longer threads unreadable.
>>
m>>>>> Just FYI.
m>>>>> --
m>>>>> ~Shaun~
>>
>>>> I use Fidolook and this is the way it was set up, but I am always
>>>> open to suggestions?
>>
m>>> See those "m"s up there? That's your newsreader putting them there.
m>>> Do you see anyone else doing that? Earlier it was putting 'REF'
and m>>> something else.
m>>> It's ugly and inpracticle. A simple '> ' is what is the accepted
m>>> standard for usenet. You mustn't post much, I've seen some posters
m>>> really get attacked for doing what you're doing in other groups.
>>
m>>> I suggest you set it to indent with '> ' and comply with the rest
of m>>> usenet commnity.
m>>> --
m>>> ~Shaun~
>>
>> Well, I have been doing this a while and so far you are the only one
>> with an issue with it. From what I can tell, the initial, plus the
>> '>' makes it easier to see who said what. Using my News reader, I
>> can easily see three participants in the conversation.

> However, using *my* newsreader it makes it more confusing. I can only
> imagine how bad it would get with longer threads. The issue isn't
> tailoring usenet to you, it's you fitting in with usenet conventions and
> etiquette.

>> I have played
>> with it, but nothing I do seems to make it go away

> Part of me really wants to make a joke about that last bit. However, I'll
> refrain.

>> so I can even try
>> it. I am seeking help on it.

> Good to hear. When there are standards in place, albeit informal ones,
> it's good when everybody adheres to them, it makes it easier for all.

> From this site:

> http://sixfiles.com/dbase/files/fidolook-group-fidolook.html

> "This program dramatically enhance Outlook Express. Has comprehensive
> approach for message headers, templates and quoting customization...."

> Therefore you must be able to 'customise' the quoting to the standard,
> i.e. '> '.

> If you are unable to discover how to do it reply here and I'll install it
> on one of my other machines and learn it and let you know how.

> I notice that it doesn't conform to a lot of newsreader standards. A
> 'proper' newsreader will remove the sig when replying, everything after
> the 'sig delineator' which consists of '-- ' or '<hyphen><hyphen><space>
> alone on a line. The whole idea of the delineator is that it's a
> cross-platform standard that all newsreaders can observe. It seems
> Fidolook butchers the top of the post, removing reference to who said
> what, instead. I'm not impressed for what I see of it from this
> viewpoint.

> Regards,

Alright, I have made some adjustments and this is what I have come up with.
Any better?
--
Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
Gen. 21:6
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

> "Spambots" to harvest enail addys)
>
> Thanks for being so reasonable. Usenet is great when used properly.
>
> (And sorry about the temporary hi-jacking of the group Ray and co-readers)

That's O.K. with moi, I've learned a bit about quoting in a couple of
programs from this. Now to figure out how to get yEnc to work with Outlook
Express. . .

Boo
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that? 

In article <iGIWf.65437$UZ5.17730@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, BooBoo
<BooBoo DeleteThis @jellystonepark.gov> wrote:

> > "Spambots" to harvest enail addys)
> >
> > Thanks for being so reasonable. Usenet is great when used properly.
> >
> > (And sorry about the temporary hi-jacking of the group Ray and co-readers)
>
> That's O.K. with moi, I've learned a bit about quoting in a couple of
> programs from this. Now to figure out how to get yEnc to work with Outlook
> Express. . .
>
> Boo
>
>

Being a Mac guy, I don't have any problems with yEnc, but as I
understand it, OE can't handle the format (probably because Microsoft
didn't invent the format). I believe you can find some 3rd party
plug-ins, or just move to a completely different Newsreader. Some of
the "how to" newsgroups should have more info on what to do.

Best, R.E.F.

(Who was just passin' through and must get back to writing the next
yarn)
 >> Stay informed about: Why did they go out like that?