A drive-by Ogre-ing

On 1/18/2007 5:55 PM, Edna wrote:
[snippage]
>> Details, details.
>>
>> (Or parents could take my father's approach, and Just Say No.
>> Kids get told "no" a lot; they're kinda used to it.)
>
> That was my parents' approach
>

And some kids kinda realize that it's just not realistic (at least,
after the second
"no", anyway)..........

Not that *I* ever did that! Oh, no, not me! [BG]

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:52:05 -0600, SAMK <dimarchos.RemoveThis@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Tristaan wrote:
>
>> <peeks back into the kitchen> Yup, looks good. Although, I
>> don't think the patrons would like their soup stirred by
>> orangutan hand... Just the hand, no spoon, nothing... just the
>> hand...
>>
>> Tristaan
>
>Well, that depends. If it is still attached to the orangutan,
>I could live with it. If it wasn't....
>
>SAMK

It was still attached to the orang. Problem is, I decided to try a
Banananananananananana soup and the orang got excited by the smell
coming from the pot.

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m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:
> Kat Hein wrote:

>>>> Nesbit's Five Children and It series! I also like her Railway
>>>> Children- they remind me a lot of the Five Little Peppers.
>>>
>>> I must have missed those ones. ;<
>>
>> Set in turn-of-the-century England, Children whose parents are always
>> absent for one reason or another come across various magical beings
>> and things. The Railway Children is the typical poor family taken in
>> by a rich old gentleman.
>
> Turn of the century? Or WWII? The British program for sending kids to
> the countryside during WWII provided quite legitimate background to tons
> of kids-without-parents stories.
>


Turn of the Century. Where they used an illness that required the mother
to go abroad for her health, while the children went to the Country with
their unobservant Nanny for the summer to get out of the City, and their
father stays in the City to work. And other variations on that theme.

While at the used bookstore last night, I was also reminded of Edward
Eager's Half Magic series, which is almost identical in feel and the #
of children to the Edith Nesbit books, only set in the 40's/50's.

Kat
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m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:

>>
>> I'd forgotten until just now, that she also read to us the
>> Encyclopedia Brown books and the Great Brain books. I love the Great
>> Brain books so much that I bought my own copies of them as an adult.
>> *GGG* (and ARGH, I just looked on Amazon, and I'm MISSING 2 of them!
>> This is a dangerously expensive thread. ;-)It's a good thing our
>> favorite used bookstore has a huge children's section! )
>
> Great Brain! *That's* what they were called... I was thinking of them
> the other day, as a suggestion for this thread, but I could NOT remember
> the name of the series. My brother and I adored those books. So I
> second the recommendation. For Encyclopedia Brown, as well -- another
> name I'd forgotten! I only have the books that were "mine" as a kid, so
> I can't go look at my bookshelves to figure out the names of the books
> that were my brother's. (Still are my brother's? I wonder what he did
> with them.)
>
> You still own those books, Kat? I begin to see what you mean about your
> bookshelves being almost entirely kid-safe. :>
>

I never did actually own the Great Brain books as a kid, so it was more
a question of now own. I don't have many, but there are a handful of
strictly children's books on my shelves (not counting things like Harry
Potter or Diane Duane) I went searching for the missing Great Brain
books last night at the used book store, and didn't find them, but did
find _The Saturdays_ and its first sequel (which I'd never read) _The
Four Story Mistake_ We had over $25 on account, the books were $2.00
each, so they came home with me. *GGG* For a change, they were just as
good as I remembered.

Kat
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Kat Hein wrote:
> m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>>> Nesbit's Five Children and It series! I also like her Railway
>>>>> Children- they remind me a lot of the Five Little Peppers.
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed those ones. ;<
>>>
>>> Set in turn-of-the-century England, Children whose parents are always
>>> absent for one reason or another come across various magical beings
>>> and things. The Railway Children is the typical poor family taken in
>>> by a rich old gentleman.
>>
>> Turn of the century? Or WWII? The British program for sending kids
>> to the countryside during WWII provided quite legitimate background to
>> tons of kids-without-parents stories.
>
> Turn of the Century. Where they used an illness that required the mother
> to go abroad for her health, while the children went to the Country with
> their unobservant Nanny for the summer to get out of the City, and their
> father stays in the City to work. And other variations on that theme.

Hmmmph. I want a disease that requires me to go somewhere
pleasant and exotic to recover. ;>

> While at the used bookstore last night, I was also reminded of Edward
> Eager's Half Magic series, which is almost identical in feel and the #
> of children to the Edith Nesbit books, only set in the 40's/50's.

You're a busy, busy bee.

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In article <2KidnX2vhJiSyS3YnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>,
SAMK <dimarchos.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> My problem with Beverly Cleary is that why on earth would I want to take
> a child who is reading at an advanced level, learning great grammar and
> vocabulary, and give them stuff with barely literate sentence structure
> and lots of not-quite-right words? (Unless I'm thinking of some other
> author-- Junie B Jones?)

You're thinking of the Junie B Jones books, by Barbara Park. My daughter
was into them for a while last year, but she seems to be over that
stage. I think she's still re-reading the Beverly Cleary books from last
year, but not Junie B.

Although I found Junie B to be quite annoying, my daughter enjoyed
reading them during the short time she was in that reading stage, so we
ended up buying quite a few of them. Although I try to steer them
towards good books, I'm not going to judge or censor my kids' reading
choices, unless we're talking about age-inappropriate adult material.
And, frankly, they are not interested in books with too much mushy
stuff--even kissing is pretty disgusting to my son

Edna


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m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:
> Kat Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:
>>
>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>>>> Nesbit's Five Children and It series! I also like her Railway
>>>>>> Children- they remind me a lot of the Five Little Peppers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have missed those ones. ;<
>>>>
>>>> Set in turn-of-the-century England, Children whose parents are
>>>> always absent for one reason or another come across various magical
>>>> beings and things. The Railway Children is the typical poor family
>>>> taken in by a rich old gentleman.
>>>
>>> Turn of the century? Or WWII? The British program for sending kids
>>> to the countryside during WWII provided quite legitimate background
>>> to tons of kids-without-parents stories.
>>
>> Turn of the Century. Where they used an illness that required the
>> mother to go abroad for her health, while the children went to the
>> Country with their unobservant Nanny for the summer to get out of the
>> City, and their father stays in the City to work. And other variations
>> on that theme.
>
> Hmmmph. I want a disease that requires me to go somewhere pleasant and
> exotic to recover. ;>

Well.... there was some sense to it back then. England is a damp and
not-very-warm place (not very cold either, but that just makes it worse
when it comes to bacteria). So recovering from things like bronchitis
and pneumonia before the days of antibiotics would take a very long
time, and going to a warmer, dryer climate would help a lot.

I have also learned recently, that there was some legitimate reasons
that doctors would send you to various places, like Bath, to "take the
waters" First of all, the water in London was so polluted before the
days of modern sanitation, that basically ANYPLACE other than London was
a healthier place to live and drink water. And then the famous "springs"
had different mineral contents that science/medicine has proven cure
various common diseases, such as gout. Today, we take pills with those
minerals in them, back then, you used to have to travel to get the water
until sometime around that time when they started bottling it and
selling it in the cities. (Yes, bottled water goes back 100 years
*G*)It's more convenient today, but you don't get the excuse to travel
and relax. *GGG*


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Edna wrote:
> In article <2KidnX2vhJiSyS3YnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>,
> SAMK <dimarchos.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> My problem with Beverly Cleary is that why on earth would I want to take
>> a child who is reading at an advanced level, learning great grammar and
>> vocabulary, and give them stuff with barely literate sentence structure
>> and lots of not-quite-right words? (Unless I'm thinking of some other
>> author-- Junie B Jones?)
>
> You're thinking of the Junie B Jones books, by Barbara Park. My daughter
> was into them for a while last year, but she seems to be over that
> stage. I think she's still re-reading the Beverly Cleary books from last
> year, but not Junie B.

I apologize for insulting Beverly Cleary, then. I guess my kids never
brought those through.

>
> Although I found Junie B to be quite annoying, my daughter enjoyed
> reading them during the short time she was in that reading stage, so we
> ended up buying quite a few of them. Although I try to steer them
> towards good books, I'm not going to judge or censor my kids' reading
> choices, unless we're talking about age-inappropriate adult material.
> And, frankly, they are not interested in books with too much mushy
> stuff--even kissing is pretty disgusting to my son
>
> Edna

I actually banned Power Rangers from the house. Not for the violence--
I allow other shows and cartoons with as much or more-- but because the
dialogue seemed to consist of words of one syllable and lack of complete
sentences. Snobbish of me, perhaps, but I believe in modelling good
grammar and vocabulary. (Like the person who was telling her 3-4 year
old about the "moving stairs". "Escalator" is NOT beyond her capacity!)

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In article <T6qdnTKkW51_HSjYnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>,
SAMK <dimarchos.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> Edna wrote:
> >
> > Although I found Junie B to be quite annoying, my daughter enjoyed
> > reading them during the short time she was in that reading stage, so we
> > ended up buying quite a few of them. Although I try to steer them
> > towards good books, I'm not going to judge or censor my kids' reading
> > choices, unless we're talking about age-inappropriate adult material.
> > And, frankly, they are not interested in books with too much mushy
> > stuff--even kissing is pretty disgusting to my son
> >
> > Edna
>
> I actually banned Power Rangers from the house. Not for the violence--
> I allow other shows and cartoons with as much or more-- but because the
> dialogue seemed to consist of words of one syllable and lack of complete
> sentences. Snobbish of me, perhaps, but I believe in modelling good
> grammar and vocabulary. (Like the person who was telling her 3-4 year
> old about the "moving stairs". "Escalator" is NOT beyond her capacity!)

Okay, I do have to confess that when our kids were younger, we banned a
certain purple dinosaur from our household Besides the overall
annoyance factor, what drove me crazy was the new words set to familiar
tunes. I wanted my kids to learn "This Old Man," not "I Love You"!

Edna


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Kat Hein wrote:
> m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR] wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
<books set in England>
>>> Turn of the Century. Where they used an illness that
>>> required the mother to go abroad for her health, while the
>>> children went to the Country with their unobservant Nanny
>>> for the summer to get out of the City, and their father
>>> stays in the City to work. And other variations on that
>>> theme.
>>
>> Hmmmph. I want a disease that requires me to go somewhere
>> pleasant and exotic to recover. ;>
>
> Well.... there was some sense to it back then. England is a
> damp and not-very-warm place (not very cold either, but that
> just makes it worse when it comes to bacteria). So recovering
> from things like bronchitis and pneumonia before the days of
> antibiotics would take a very long time, and going to a warmer,
> dryer climate would help a lot.

England is a puddle with some cities on top. And it is plenty
cold enough for my tastes! :>

Sending people abroad to cure, in the days before reliable wall
insulation and central heating, makes sense. Pity that charming
custom has faded. (I had a minor flu last week -- is that enough
to get me sent to, say, Tahiti? Acapulco? Hawaii?)

> I have also learned recently, that there was some legitimate
> reasons that doctors would send you to various places, like
> Bath, to "take the waters" First of all, the water in London
> was so polluted before the days of modern sanitation, that
> basically ANYPLACE other than London was a healthier place to
> live and drink water. And then the famous "springs" had

Blech. What a thought.

Yes, I seem to recall spending an evening discussing, sometime
before Xmas last year, how plumbing and sanitation has actually
done more to save lives than almost anything else. Forget
penicillin for life-saving -- a good sewer saves way more lives.
(Some documentary on the History Channel about it?)

> different mineral contents that science/medicine has proven
> cure various common diseases, such as gout. Today, we take
> pills with those minerals in them, back then, you used to have
> to travel to get the water until sometime around that time when
> they started bottling it and selling it in the cities. (Yes,
> bottled water goes back 100 years *G*)It's more convenient
> today, but you don't get the excuse to travel and relax. *GGG*

I want to visit Bath, England sometime. I hear there are Jane
Austen tours and fun stuff like that. (Yes, my definition of
"fun" is peculiar.)

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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:43:34 GMT, "m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR]"
<"m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR]"@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I want to visit Bath, England sometime. I hear there are Jane
>Austen tours and fun stuff like that. (Yes, my definition of
>"fun" is peculiar.)

Ironic that Jane Austen **loathed** Bath. <chuckle>

But there is a nice small museum devoted to her period. But my
favorite Bath activities are seeing what's new in the baths - it's an
ongoing archeological site, so it's always interesting. And no trip
to Bath is complete without munching some Sally Lunn buns.

<drool>

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Rhino 7 wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, "m_thomas[movies_in_LoTR]" wrote:
>
>>I want to visit Bath, England sometime. I hear there are Jane
>>Austen tours and fun stuff like that. (Yes, my definition of
>>"fun" is peculiar.)
>
> Ironic that Jane Austen **loathed** Bath. <chuckle>

Well, yes, but I doubt much else that she referred to in her
novels is still around. (Or was ever around, since she wrote
fiction.) Aside from assorted lakes and natural whatnot. :>

> But there is a nice small museum devoted to her period. But my
> favorite Bath activities are seeing what's new in the baths - it's an
> ongoing archeological site, so it's always interesting. And no trip
> to Bath is complete without munching some Sally Lunn buns.
>
> <drool>

Hmmm. Sally Lunn buns. I haven't the faintest idea what those
might be, but I'll eat anything once. :>

(Ok. Anything that is not an endangered animal. Or poisonous.)

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:49:24 -0600, SAMK stomped through my brain
with:

>> Ah, yes! Redwall and Prydain. I think I'll give those a shot.
>> I have the original Redwall book and I used to be hooked on
>> Prydain after I saw the Disney attempt at "The Black Cauldron".
>>
>> Tristaan
>
>Oh, the Disney version was HORRIBLE. She should like Taran Pig-keeper.

Actually, I think she'll get MORE of a kick out of Gurgi and the
Princess... Not to mention the King-Who-Would-Be-Bard...

LOVED those books... although book 4 and 5 ended up getting
darker and darker...

Tristaan
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