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In article <eUHvc.16717494$Id.2770893@news.easynews.com>, mgs_7
@dontspamme.yahoo.com says...
 > You know,
 > I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.

Start a tally, I'm the second mark. Put down my husband, too.

We just watched the Theatrical Release DVD yesterday. ROTK has the
only part of all three movies I've been completely unable to swallow
-- Denethor. Acts wrong, looks wrong, dresses wrong, insane in
completely the wrong way. I don't have time to go into it much now.

However, I have come to the revelation that Hugo Weaving (whom I've
never been particularly fond of as Elrond anyway) probably would have
made a SPOT ON Denethor. He had the right kind of intensity,
desperation, and cold contempt when it was necessary. He looks a lot
more like what Denethor should look like, too. Ah, lost
opportunities.

Michelle
Flutist

--
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Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
Here in my arms, Safe from all harm
Holding you, I'm smiling, too
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:58:02 GMT, Michael P. Reed
<mgs_7.DeleteThis@dontspamme.yahoo.com> wrote:

 >In message <b4dub0ta88tvl09u096058os5i1pe4b9tj.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Damian John Paul Brown
 >wrote:
 >
  >> many of you say the film doesn't reflect the greatness of the book,
 >
 >I really don't like the movies as movies. Bad continuity, spotty acting,
 >over-lengthy action scenes that become reptitive and dull, repetitive, did I
 >say repetitive, "themes" [namely all the good guys are "reluctant warriors"],
 >glowing elves and glowing wizards (and the goofy smile Gandalf always had after
 >he became "The White"), and, perhaps, some poor editing. Great flicks for
 >teenagers, but if you are older (and possess more than half a brain (thus
 >leaving out the vast majority of teenagers <g>) it lacks substence. You know,
 >I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.
 >
 >Play is a bad idea. I just don't think it would work.

I would just *hate* to have to manage the cast. And I have
semi-professional experience in this field.

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 >From: Michael P. Reed

 >I really don't like the movies as movies. Bad continuity, spotty acting,
 >over-lengthy action scenes that become reptitive and dull, repetitive,
....
 >namely all the good guys are "reluctant warriors"

Legolas seems to be quite an eager assassin. Maybe due to Mr. Blooms dramatic
expression?

 >and the goofy smile Gandalf always had after
 >he became "The White"

Sadly true.

 >I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.

Now you "know" one: I'm 38 and liked the movies very much.

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Michelle J. Haines <mhaines.RemoveThis@io.nanc.com> wrote:
 > However, I have come to the revelation that Hugo Weaving (whom I've
 > never been particularly fond of as Elrond anyway) probably would have
 > made a SPOT ON Denethor. He had the right kind of intensity,
 > desperation, and cold contempt when it was necessary. He looks a lot
 > more like what Denethor should look like, too.

To be fair, even Hugo Weaving might not have been able to rescue
Denethor from the mess that the script-writers made of him. Any
portrayal of a character on screen is a mixture of the script, the actor
and the director's direction on how the actor should play the scene. I
can't remember how much of a 'hands-on' director Peter Jackson is.

Christopher

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In article <gCKvc.3440$i03.34115626@news-text.cableinet.net>,
spamgard.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk says...
 > Michelle J. Haines <mhaines.TakeThisOut@io.nanc.com> wrote:
  > > However, I have come to the revelation that Hugo Weaving (whom I've
  > > never been particularly fond of as Elrond anyway) probably would have
  > > made a SPOT ON Denethor. He had the right kind of intensity,
  > > desperation, and cold contempt when it was necessary. He looks a lot
  > > more like what Denethor should look like, too.
 >
 > To be fair, even Hugo Weaving might not have been able to rescue
 > Denethor from the mess that the script-writers made of him. Any
 > portrayal of a character on screen is a mixture of the script, the actor
 > and the director's direction on how the actor should play the scene. I
 > can't remember how much of a 'hands-on' director Peter Jackson is.

They suggest quite a bit in the documentaries.

Yeah, the script for Denethor sucked. But I think he could have
perhaps gotten the feel of the character better. The Denethor in the
movie comes across as significantly less sophisticated than Theoden,
even though he lives in the prettier house. Should come across the
other way.

I was trying to think of why they went that way with Denethor. I
think, perhaps, they fell in love with that song/battle/food scene.
It IS extremely effective -- especially at making you hate Denethor.
So, then they had a create a character who would eat like a pig while
his one remaining son was running The Charge of the Light Brigade.

I think the scene would have worked pretty well with just Pippin's
song and the battle, or even Pippin's song, the battle, and Denethor
eating like he'd seen a fork before in his life, and would have been
as effective.

I miss the shrewd character who didn't need Gandalf to tell him any
thing, knew Aragorn was coming and still practically dared him to
take away his thorn, and was one formidable bastard. *sigh* Hate,
hate the movie Denethor. I don't think even the EE's going to save
that one for me.

Michelle
Flutist

--
Drift on a river, That flows through my arms
Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
Here in my arms, Safe from all harm
Holding you, I'm smiling, too
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Between Bree, and Amon Hen, I feel that the film LotR generates an even more
intense, albeit shorter-lived, sense of majesty than when reading the books.

After that though, too many compromises were made to accept the 2nd and 3rd
movies as legitimate, or in the spirit of Tolkien.

Visually, RotK is very very impressive though. I just couldn't stand the
stupidity of Frodo and Sam. I felt their characters had been lobotomized by
Jackson/Walsh/Boyens.
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 >
 >I really don't like the movies as movies. Bad continuity, spotty acting,
 >over-lengthy action scenes that become reptitive and dull, repetitive, did
 >I
 >say repetitive, "themes" [namely all the good guys are "reluctant warriors"],
 >glowing elves and glowing wizards (and the goofy smile Gandalf always had
 >after
 >he became "The White"), and, perhaps, some poor editing. Great flicks for
 >teenagers, but if you are older (and possess more than half a brain (thus
 >leaving out the vast majority of teenagers <g>) it lacks substence. You
 >know,
 >I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.
 >
I have to chime in here. I am an adult for more than ten years by legal
standards, and I do enjoy the films very much. I disagree with much of what
you said. I am fine with you not liking them, but to generalize that no adults
like them, or that if we do, we only have half a brain, is a little rude.

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On 03 Jun 2004 21:49:31 GMT, rinuccio4 DeleteThis @aol.com (Rinuccio4) wrote:
 >
 >I have to chime in here. I am an adult for more than ten years by legal
 >standards, and I do enjoy the films very much. I disagree with much of what
 >you said. I am fine with you not liking them, but to generalize that no adults
 >like them, or that if we do, we only have half a brain, is a little rude.
 >
Just remember:

Approximately one half of all the people you meet have an IQ less than
100.

Now.....about adults with only half a brain........?

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In message <MPG.1b291ee1df55b56398a4f5 DeleteThis @news.Qwest.net>, Michelle J. Haines
wrote:
 > In article <eUHvc.16717494$Id.2770893@news.easynews.com>, mgs_7
 > @dontspamme.yahoo.com says...
  > > You know,
  > > I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.
 >
 > Start a tally, I'm the second mark. Put down my husband, too.

It's starting to get repetitive here, but I don't recall being invited to the
wedding. I was speaking corporeally.

 >
 > We just watched the Theatrical Release DVD yesterday. ROTK has the
 > only part of all three movies I've been completely unable to swallow
 > -- Denethor. Acts wrong, looks wrong, dresses wrong, insane in
 > completely the wrong way. I don't have time to go into it much now.

Oddly enough, I found the depiction to be closer (albeit exaggerated) to my
idea of Denethor than most of Jackson's interpretations. For the record, the
one whom I believe was nearly all wrong was indeed Elrond, but that well
critiqued portrayal aside, I would go with Theoden.

 >
 > However, I have come to the revelation that Hugo Weaving (whom I've
 > never been particularly fond of as Elrond anyway) probably would have
 > made a SPOT ON Denethor.

What kind of spot? Black spot? Ink blot? <g> I personally cannot conceive
Weaving being anything spot on as an actor. Maybe a tree stump, but then
again. . .

 > He had the right kind of intensity,
 > desperation, and cold contempt when it was necessary. He looks a lot
 > more like what Denethor should look like, too.

Interesting phenomenom people's imaginations of the same exact descriptions. I
just don't see it.

 > Ah, lost
 > opportunities.

Plenty there in this flick(s).

 > Michelle
 > Flutist

Won't ask.

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In message <20040603133723.13413.00000462 DeleteThis @mb-m18.aol.com>, Hiemalis wrote:
  > >From: Michael P. Reed
 >
  > >I really don't like the movies as movies. Bad continuity, spotty acting,
  > >over-lengthy action scenes that become reptitive and dull, repetitive,
 > ....
  > >namely all the good guys are "reluctant warriors"
 >
 > Legolas seems to be quite an eager assassin. Maybe due to Mr. Blooms
 > dramatic
 > expression?

He does have his one moment of doubt just prior to the Battle of Helm's Deep.

  > >and the goofy smile Gandalf always had after
  > >he became "The White"
 >
 > Sadly true.

I just didn't get that. McKellen [sp?] was so good in the first movie, but as
the other two went along it was almost as if he was just punching the clock.

  > >I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.
 >
 > Now you "know" one: I'm 38 and liked the movies very much.

But I don't know you. <g>

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In article <22Qvc.16832248$Of.2801739@news.easynews.com>, mgs_7
@dontspamme.yahoo.com says...
 >
  > > We just watched the Theatrical Release DVD yesterday. ROTK has the
  > > only part of all three movies I've been completely unable to swallow
  > > -- Denethor. Acts wrong, looks wrong, dresses wrong, insane in
  > > completely the wrong way. I don't have time to go into it much now.
 >
 > Oddly enough, I found the depiction to be closer (albeit exaggerated) to my
 > idea of Denethor than most of Jackson's interpretations. For the record, the
 > one whom I believe was nearly all wrong was indeed Elrond, but that well
 > critiqued portrayal aside, I would go with Theoden.

Elrond was one that I disliked, but have grown to grudgingly accept
for story reasons. Denethor -- bleah.

 > What kind of spot? Black spot? Ink blot? <g> I personally cannot conceive
 > Weaving being anything spot on as an actor. Maybe a tree stump, but then
 > again. . .

He can do cold and measured very well (exaggerated for effect in The
Matrix movies), and Denethor is very cold and measured, in my head.

  > > He had the right kind of intensity,
  > > desperation, and cold contempt when it was necessary. He looks a lot
  > > more like what Denethor should look like, too.
 >
 > Interesting phenomenom people's imaginations of the same exact descriptions. I
 > just don't see it.

*heh* To each his own, I suppose.

  > > Michelle
  > > Flutist
 >
 > Won't ask.

I've played flute for 21 years now. Also, Michelles are common as
mice on several of the newsgroups I read. I've used "Flutist" as a
BBS handle for coming up on 13 years, so I append it to my Usenet
posts partly as a means of identification. Plenty of juvenile
snickering about it since those American Pie movies came out, of
course.

Michelle
Flutist

--
Drift on a river, That flows through my arms
Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
Here in my arms, Safe from all harm
Holding you, I'm smiling, too
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In message <20040603174931.19071.00000400 RemoveThis @mb-m02.aol.com>, Rinuccio4 wrote:
  > >
  > >I really don't like the movies as movies. Bad continuity, spotty acting,
  > >over-lengthy action scenes that become reptitive and dull, repetitive, did
  > >I
  > >say repetitive, "themes" [namely all the good guys are "reluctant
 > warriors"],
  > >glowing elves and glowing wizards (and the goofy smile Gandalf always had
  > >after
  > >he became "The White"), and, perhaps, some poor editing. Great flicks for
  > >teenagers, but if you are older (and possess more than half a brain (thus
  > >leaving out the vast majority of teenagers <g>) it lacks substence. You
  > >know,
  > >I don't know of a single adult who actually cared much for the movie.
  > >
 > I have to chime in here. I am an adult for more than ten years by legal
 > standards, and I do enjoy the films very much. I disagree with much of what
 > you said. I am fine with you not liking them, but to generalize that no
 > adults
 > like them, or that if we do, we only have half a brain, is a little rude.

Except I did not generalize (except about teenagers--and I did include a little
grin there). I was specifically referring to adults that *I* know personally.


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the softrat <softrat DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote in
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 > Just remember:
 >
 > Approximately one half of all the people you meet have an IQ less than
 > 100.
 >
 > Now.....about adults with only half a brain........?


LOL! This reminds me of my favourite quote from the Lion King script, when
Scar is looking despreciatively to the hienas and says "I'm surrounded by
idiots".

Another good one, though I don'r remember who the author is goes like "The
World is improved everyday by smart people, but it is the imbeciles who
enjoy it".

--
"La cosa más bella que podemos experimentar es el misterio.
Es la fuente de cualquier arte y ciencia verdaderos".
ALBERT EINSTEIN

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