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On Jan 24, 10:35 pm, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba....TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
> "foad" <o....TakeThisOut@ooo.com> wrote in messagenews:H7cmj.11689$YH6.5988@trndny03....
> >A Tennessee company is suing Don Imus for $4 million after the radio host
> >allegedly disparaged the firm last year while reading its commercials on
> >his show. FlatSigned Press alleges that Imus made snide comments about the
> >company as he read spots advertising its sale of copies of the Warren
> >Commission report signed by President Gerald Ford, a member of the
> >government panel that investigated the John F. Kennedy assassination. The
> >January 2007 radio spots aired one month after Ford's death. The timing of
> >the ads, it seems, prompted Imus to remark that FlatSigned--which sells
> >autographed and collectible books--were "bastards" who waited for Ford "to
> >croak so they could unload these." He then added, "Now that he's
> >flat-lined, you go to flatsigned.com." [Click here to listen to one of
> >Imus's FlatSigned spots.] Imus repeated similar sentiments in other live
> >commercials, remarking, "This has gotta be a joke." FlatSigned paid about
> >$5000 for the spots, which directed listeners to its web site, where the
> >limited edition Ford volume (which sold for upwards of $900) could be
> >ordered. In its January 23 New York State Supreme Court lawsuit, an excerpt
> >of which you'll find below, FlatSigned charges that it was damaged by
> >Imus's refusal to read its ad copy verbatim. In addition to Imus, the
> >company is suing Infinity Broadcasting, for whom Imus worked until last
> >April, when he was fired for making offensive comments about the Rutgers
> >women's basketball team. (6 pages)
>
> >http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0124081ford1.html
>
> Oh, Goodie!
>
> Now that means flatty will have to prove in court that his products *were*
> disparaged.    Hmmmm.....is he sure he wants to sue, or is this just
> more publicity to unload those books?

Even if the case gets immediately tossed, he's gotten thousands of
dollars in free publicity. (Which is probably all he wanted in the
first place.)
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It is dissapointing that people who don't even know me make such
incredible remarks about a fellow human being. Why not ask anyone for
information before publicly questioning their motives or ethics? All
people should be afforded this democratic right and I hope you agree.
This lawsuit is about Don Imus telling lies and not honoring his
contract with me. He also did the public a great disservice by
obviously not having read the book and saw that it had been made
available to the public for years, prior to the death of President
Ford. It is a violation of our moral code and our law that somewhat
makes false statements, damaging another, on the public air-waves that
are also owned by all Americas. Yes I want to sell books. President
Ford knew he was going to die; we all do. He selected this book to be
part of his legacy. Mr. Imus failed to act responsibly when he made
statements that were both breach of contract and false. What are you
doing that benefiting our world? That was my goal and now I am side
tracked because others did not act responsibly. I have always
answered questions when asked about any book I have ever published or
sold. I stand willing to answer your questions as long as you keep an
open mind and are willing to learn new information and act accordingly
and professionally.
Best,
Tim Miller
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http://www.bookthink.com/0053/53mil.htm

"Once anyone is educated, they all agree that FlatSigned is the best!
"

What percentage of people only want "flatsigned" books and would turn
up their nose at an inscribed copy? I prefer inscribed books
myself...yes, I'm truly ignorant in your eyes, but I do have a
tendency to think for myself. It matters not to me that someone else
had the book first!

While you go on and on about the "ease" and talents of today's forgers
(I won't argue that point), the bigger problem is in the nature of the
beast. If one looks at the signatures of some of today's novelists,
and didn't know whom it was supposed to be, one would have NO idea of
who they were, ie Robert Parker, John Sandford, Jonathan Kellerman,
etc. An inscription, regardless, is an insight into the person...and
coincidentally, more words that the forger would have to research.
For a high dollar signature, it might be worth the effort. But for
most of the popular living novelists, it would not be worth the time
(buy a first for $5 and sell same for $25?).

"So, if you have no interest in preserving value and are only thinking
of what makes just you feel good, then by all means have all your
books signed that way and see how fast your children throw them away
after you see Grisham and King in the hereafter."

This statement alone tells me all I need to know... money to you is
the ultimate reason to collect books.
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On Feb 1, 12:06 pm, Sam <chainman6... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.bookthink.com/0053/53mil.htm

You make a number of good points. I have seen
many impressively inscribed books, and the
idea that they would somehow be better if they
had a mere signature instead of a thoughtful
inscription is absurd. I am referring to books
at least few decades old, I should add. I don't
have enough interest in a contemporary popular
fiction to give a hoot whether such books are
flatsigned or inscribed at considerable length.
(But if you have an inscribled Thomas Pynchon,
I might be interested!) When you are talking
about respected writers of earlier generations,
a good inscription adds so much. In my view,
a "good inscription" would mean it is by someone
with reasonably good handwriting (not an illegible
scrawl), is dated, and contains at least a bit of
interesting information. In many cases that might
mean the author is thanking someone in the book
publishing business for something, or is just referring
to shared experiences with a relative, friend, or
acquaintance. Just having an author sit down
in a publisher's office and sign a few thousand
copies of something (or, worse, have the
publisher mail a few thousand cards to the
author to be signed, returned, and inserted
in books) is not my idea of "value added."

[Memo from the upstairs office.]

>
> "Once anyone is educated, they all agree that FlatSigned is the best!
> "
>
> What percentage of people only want "flatsigned" books and would turn
> up their nose at an inscribed copy?  I prefer inscribed books
> myself...yes, I'm truly ignorant in your eyes, but I do have a
> tendency to think for myself.  It matters not to me that someone else
> had the book first!
>
> While you go on and on about the "ease" and talents of today's forgers
> (I won't argue that point), the bigger problem is in the nature of the
> beast.  If one looks at the signatures of some of today's novelists,
> and didn't know whom it was supposed to be, one would have NO idea of
> who they were, ie Robert Parker, John Sandford, Jonathan Kellerman,
> etc.  An inscription, regardless, is an insight into the person...and
> coincidentally, more words that the forger would have to research.
> For a high dollar signature, it might be worth the effort.  But for
> most of the popular living novelists, it would not be worth the time
> (buy a first for $5 and sell same for $25?).
>
> "So, if you have no interest in preserving value and are only thinking
> of what makes just you feel good, then by all means have all your
> books signed that way and see how fast your children throw them away
> after you see Grisham and King in the hereafter."
>
> This statement alone tells me all I need to know... money to you is
> the ultimate reason to collect books.
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On Jan 24, 6:50 pm, "foad" <o....RemoveThis@ooo.com> wrote:

The whole thing is stupid. The idea of using Imus to
promote (what is supposed to be) a serious book
signed by a figure of some dignity is crazy. Sort
of like, "He who hires a jackass to promote a serious
book, should expect to be kicked in the backside."
(Something like that.) Nothing against Imus: for
many he is a somewhat entertaining jackass -- at
least to those who thinks humor is best provided by
crazy-looking old goats sitting in a chair grumbling
and mumbling insults -- when, to be fair, the talk
media abounds with pompous, boring jackasses,
after all.

[Memo from the upstairs office.].

> A Tennessee company is suing Don Imus for $4 million after the radio host
> allegedly disparaged the firm last year while reading its commercials on his
> show. FlatSigned Press alleges that Imus made snide comments about the
> company as he read spots advertising its sale of copies of the Warren
> Commission report signed by President Gerald Ford, a member of the
> government panel that investigated the John F. Kennedy assassination. The
> January 2007 radio spots aired one month after Ford's death. The timing of
> the ads, it seems, prompted Imus to remark that FlatSigned--which sells
> autographed and collectible books--were "bastards" who waited for Ford "to
> croak so they could unload these." He then added, "Now that he's flat-lined,
> you go to flatsigned.com." [Click here to listen to one of Imus's FlatSigned
> spots.] Imus repeated similar sentiments in other live commercials,
> remarking, "This has gotta be a joke." FlatSigned paid about $5000 for the
> spots, which directed listeners to its web site, where the limited edition
> Ford volume (which sold for upwards of $900) could be ordered. In its
> January 23 New York State Supreme Court lawsuit, an excerpt of which you'll
> find below, FlatSigned charges that it was damaged by Imus's refusal to read
> its ad copy verbatim. In addition to Imus, the company is suing Infinity
> Broadcasting, for whom Imus worked until last April, when he was fired for
> making offensive comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team. (6
> pages)
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0124081ford1.html
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On Feb 1, 4:29 pm, "foad" <o... DeleteThis @ooo.com> wrote:
> "Bill" <palmer.will... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
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> On Jan 24, 6:50 pm, "foad" <o... DeleteThis @ooo.com> wrote:
>
> > The whole thing is stupid.   The idea of using Imus to
> > promote (what is supposed to be) a serious book
> > signed by a figure of some dignity is crazy.   Sort
> > of like, "He  who hires a jackass to  promote a serious
> > book, should expect to be kicked in the backside."
> > (Something like that.)    Nothing against Imus
>
> Another subject about which Palmjob is ignorant, go figure. Imus sells more
> books than anybody but Oprah.

Flattie's case was mentioned in this week's edition of Time Magazine.
Guess he got his 15 minutes!
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On Feb 1, 3:43 pm, Bill <palmer.will....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 12:06 pm, Sam <chainman6....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.bookthink.com/0053/53mil.htm
>
> You make a number of good points. I have seen
> many impressively inscribed books, and the
> idea that they would somehow be better if they
> had a mere signature instead of a thoughtful
> inscription is absurd. I am referring to books
> at least few decades old, I should add.

I specialize in books on contract bridge, and my most valuable signed
copies are those dedicated (inscribed) by world championship players
to other equal-caliber or famous players. These are typically worth 25
to 50% more than a flat-signed copy.

You have to put this all in perspective though; contract bridge isn't
quite up there in name recognition as the Kings and Rowlings. Still,
the relative worth says something about the subject.

Carl
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"Bill" <palmer.william.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 6:50 pm, "foad" <o....DeleteThis@ooo.com> wrote:

> The whole thing is stupid. The idea of using Imus to
> promote (what is supposed to be) a serious book
> signed by a figure of some dignity is crazy. Sort
> of like, "He who hires a jackass to promote a serious
> book, should expect to be kicked in the backside."
> (Something like that.) Nothing against Imus



Another subject about which Palmjob is ignorant, go figure. Imus sells more
books than anybody but Oprah.
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Bill wrote:
> On Feb 1, 12:06 pm, Sam <chainman6....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.bookthink.com/0053/53mil.htm
>
>
> You make a number of good points. I have seen
> many impressively inscribed books, and the
> idea that they would somehow be better if they
> had a mere signature instead of a thoughtful
> inscription is absurd. I am referring to books
> at least few decades old, I should add. I don't
> have enough interest in a contemporary popular
> fiction to give a hoot whether such books are
> flatsigned or inscribed at considerable length.
> (But if you have an inscribled Thomas Pynchon,
> I might be interested!) When you are talking
> about respected writers of earlier generations,
> a good inscription adds so much. In my view,
> a "good inscription" would mean it is by someone
> with reasonably good handwriting (not an illegible
> scrawl), is dated, and contains at least a bit of
> interesting information. In many cases that might
> mean the author is thanking someone in the book
> publishing business for something, or is just referring
> to shared experiences with a relative, friend, or
> acquaintance. Just having an author sit down
> in a publisher's office and sign a few thousand
> copies of something (or, worse, have the
> publisher mail a few thousand cards to the
> author to be signed, returned, and inserted
> in books) is not my idea of "value added."
>
> [Memo from the upstairs office.]
>

Ellroy's "My Dark Places" comes to mind.


Francis A. Miniter
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"Bill" <palmer.william.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Obviously you fritter away your time in the plebian
> media world of Imus, Oprah, and no doubt
> Letterman, too. You let these "intellectuals"
> do your "thinking" for you, which of course
> includes their telling you what to read,
> "Foad"-the-Pnony. I don't even watch television.
> I have my monitor and dvd for my movies, and
> that's it. You see, I am the sort of person you
> know nothing about, Mr. False-Named-Foad:
> a book person. Unlike you, I don't play at
> reading, I read.

You read comic books Bilp, and write tedious essays about how scary the
covers are, when you're not being kicked around usenet by every newbie with
an imac and opposable thumbs.

Oprah and Imus sell books. I didn't say I read them, I said they sell them.
Check the NYBS list if you don't believe me. So hiring Imus to hawk your
books is a savvy business decision. What's stupid is hiring the dope to do
it then turning around and suing him when he acts like a dope.
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On Feb 2, 5:38 am, "foad" <o....DeleteThis@ooo.com> wrote:
> "Bill" <palmer.will....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> > Obviously you fritter away your time in the plebian
> > media world of Imus, Oprah, and no doubt
> > Letterman, too.   You let these "intellectuals"
> > do your "thinking" for you, which of course
> > includes their telling you what to read,
> > "Foad"-the-Pnony.    I don't even watch television.
> > I have my monitor and dvd for my movies, and
> > that's it.   You see,  I am the sort of person you
> > know nothing about, Mr. False-Named-Foad:
> > a book person.   Unlike you, I don't play at
> > reading,  I read.
>
> You read comic books Bilp,

What does THAT have to do with the price of eggs
in China? The fact that I read some comic books
has nothing to do with the fact that I have read most
of the classics of English and American literature,
as well as a sizeable chunk of the best U. S. and
British prose and poetry of the 19th and 20th
Century. I also have read a great deal of world
literature and poetry in translation.

Comics are simply a different medium
providing a different experience than text-only
books. The fact that someone has seen one or
more movies based on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
does not prove they haven't read Stevenson's
novel, does it? It does not, any more than the
fact I have read the Classics Illustrated comic
book by Lou Cameron should suggest that I
have not read the novel. Books, comic books,
and movies provide different experiences. I
think the best of all of them is worth experiencing.

If anyone is curious about what comic books
I have been reading lately, I might add that I
don't like most of the new stuff. I think one of
the greatest things to happen in comics in
recent years was DC's decision to reprint Will
Eisner's "Spirit" newspaper comics from the
1940's and early 1950's. There are about
two dozen HARDCOVER volumes of these
fabulous full-color reprints now available
to book collectors with an interest in comics..


and write tedious essays about how scary the
> covers are, when you're not being kicked around usenet by every newbie with
> an imac and opposable thumbs.

Now you are dreaming. I begin to suspect that
I have probably toasted you a crisp on more or
painful (for you!) occasion, possibly so embarrassingly
for you that you took to crawling around under a new
fake name. You would not be the first spankard to try
and save face that way -- and your drivel would seem to
bear the unmistakeable stench of a sore flame war loser,
"Foad."

[Memo from the upstairs office.]
>
> Oprah and Imus sell books. I didn't say I read them, I said they sell them..
> Check the NYBS list if you don't believe me. So hiring Imus to hawk your
> books is a savvy business decision. What's stupid is hiring the dope to do
> it then turning around and suing him when he acts like a dope.
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"Bill" <palmer.william.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> If anyone is curious about what comic books
> I have been reading lately, I might add that

<snip>

Poor pliB, nobody cares whether you have more intense orgasms fantasizing
about Veronica or Betty.
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I'd be more interested in hearing about the anniversary editions of To
Kill a Mockingbird supposedly signed by Harper Lee you sold back in
2001 that turned out to be forgeries.

On Feb 1, 10:20 am, tmille... RemoveThis @comcast.net wrote:
> It is dissapointing that people who don't even know me make such
> incredible remarks about a fellow human being.  Why not ask anyone for
> information before publicly questioning their motives or ethics?  All
> people should be afforded this democratic right and I hope you agree.
> This lawsuit is about Don Imus telling lies and not honoring his
> contract with me.  He also did the public a great disservice by
> obviously not having read the book and saw that it had been made
> available to the public for years, prior to the death of President
> Ford.  It is a violation of our moral code and our law that somewhat
> makes false statements, damaging another, on the public air-waves that
> are also owned by all Americas.  Yes I want to sell books.  President
> Ford knew he was going to die; we all do.  He selected this book to be
> part of his legacy.  Mr. Imus failed to act responsibly when he made
> statements that were both breach of contract and false.  What are you
> doing that benefiting our world?  That was my goal and now I am side
> tracked because others did not act responsibly.  I have always
> answered questions when asked about any book I have ever published or
> sold.  I stand willing to answer your questions as long as you keep an
> open mind and are willing to learn new information and act accordingly
> and professionally.
> Best,
> Tim Miller
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