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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:01 am
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Was re-reading _Letters_ this weekend, and two things seemed
unexplained by introductory or text notes:
What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his letters)?
Obviously "v." stood for "very" and there were a few others easily
deduced, but for the life of me I can't figure out what "sc." means.
Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
and held with great affection.
Thanks to any and all who can clear up my confusion!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:58 pm
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"Michael Martin" <baltezaar2001 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Was re-reading _Letters_ this weekend, and two things seemed
> unexplained by introductory or text notes:
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> What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his letters)?
> Obviously "v." stood for "very" and there were a few others easily
> deduced, but for the life of me I can't figure out what "sc." means.
>
> Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
> and held with great affection.
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> Thanks to any and all who can clear up my confusion!
Service Corporation? 
No, seriously. Could you give an example of the context in which you see
it?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:58 pm
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Bill O'Meally wrote:
> "Michael Martin" <baltezaar2001 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bebquu$5i4$1@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com...
>> Was re-reading _Letters_ this weekend, and two things seemed
>> unexplained by introductory or text notes:
>>
>> What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his
>> letters)? Obviously "v." stood for "very" and there were a few
>> others easily deduced, but for the life of me I can't figure out
>> what "sc." means.
>>
>> Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
>> and held with great affection.
>>
>> Thanks to any and all who can clear up my confusion!
>
> Service Corporation?
>
> No, seriously. Could you give an example of the context in which
> you see it?
I can, but not until later tonight. Don't have the book with me right
now.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:23 pm
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"Michael Martin" in <bebquu$5i4$1@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com> scripsit:
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> What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his
> letters)? Obviously "v." stood for "very" and there were a few
> others easily deduced, but for the life of me I can't figure out
> what "sc." means.
A wild guess: "sc." may stand for the Latin "scilicet", which means
"namely".
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quia nihil ex his, quae in usu habemus, aut audiunt aut vident. »
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:32 pm
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Michael Martin wrote:
> Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
> and held with great affection.
From memory, a fan who wrote to JRRT and who's surname prompted him to write
back. There's no explanation in 'Letters' I'll have to consult other
possible sources at home tonight. >> Stay informed about: Question from Tolkien's Letters |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:31 pm
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Marie-Lan Nguyen wrote:
> "Michael Martin" in <bebquu$5i4$1@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com> scripsit:
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>>What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his
>>letters)? Obviously "v." stood for "very" and there were a few
>>others easily deduced, but for the life of me I can't figure out
>>what "sc." means.
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> A wild guess: "sc." may stand for the Latin "scilicet", which means
> "namely".
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sc. is an abbreviation of scire licet: (it is permissible to know).
viz. is an abb of videre licet: (it is permissible to see)
They both seem to mean the same thing. I don't know about sc. and how
it is used.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:41 pm
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Michael Martin wrote:
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> Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
> and held with great affection.
That was my first-ever posting to the Tolkien newsgroups, IIRC. As far as I
can work out, she was just a correspondent who had a name in common with
JRRT, although they obviously did end up on affectionate terms.
Andrew
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:41 pm
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Andrew Wells wrote:
> Michael Martin wrote:
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>> Also, who is Amy Ronald? She's obviously someone well-known to him
>> and held with great affection.
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> That was my first-ever posting to the Tolkien newsgroups, IIRC. As
> far as I can work out, she was just a correspondent who had a name
> in common with JRRT, although they obviously did end up on
> affectionate terms.
That seems to be the consensus. I thought she might be a
daughter-in-law or something of that ilk.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:07 am
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Michael Martin wrote:
> That seems to be the consensus. I thought she might be a
> daughter-in-law or something of that ilk.
That is an easy mistake to make - I had wondered it myself - but she
certainly doesn't appear anywhere in the family strees. ISTR another letter
to her being sold a few years ago, and the seller saying something like "...
letter to a friend ..."
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:24 pm
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"Michael Martin" <baltezaar2001 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his letters)?
I believe it means "specifically." Not entirely "logical", but
understandable in context.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:24 pm
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:24:24 -0400, Jeff Blanks
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>"Michael Martin" <baltezaar2001.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>What does "sc." stand for (used by Tolkien many times in his letters)?
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>I believe it means "specifically." Not entirely "logical", but
>understandable in context.
It is an abbreviation for a Latin word, 'scilicet', meaning 'namely,
specifically'.
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