100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie

Bree wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:21:25 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >rja.carnegie@excite.com wrote:
> >
> >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> /snip/
> >> > That I would like to know how the sentient beings of Narnia obtained food in
> >> > all that snow and ice and completely frozen bodies of water.
> >>
> >> Possibly at very high prices from Jadis's government importer or palace
> >> greenhouses. There may also have been a population crash.
> >
> >I bet that the Moles were the one to smuggle food into Narnia, since they could
> >tunnel underground and thus bypass the snow.
>
> Hm, if we can have Secret Police (with a Continental bureaucratic
> name like 'Maugrim'), then why not an Underground? With gorillas....
>
> And Puddleglum in a beret drinking expresso....

Can gorillas dig tunnels?
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Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> Digory buried the rings and married Polly.

I question the second half of this statement. I've re-read the book
recently, and could swear that they remained good friends all through
life but no mention was made of marriage.

Have to check it again when I get off work -- if I haven't thrown the
book away already (it was falling apart as I read it, as are all of my
Narnia novels.)

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stePH wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >
> > Digory buried the rings and married Polly.
>
> I question the second half of this statement. I've re-read the book
> recently, and could swear that they remained good friends all through
> life but no mention was made of marriage.
>
> Have to check it again when I get off work -- if I haven't thrown the
> book away already (it was falling apart as I read it, as are all of my
> Narnia novels.)

Opps, I miswrote. Scratch the part about Digory marrying Polly.
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In this movie, 4 kids, named Lucy, Susan, Edmund, and Peter go through a
wardrobe into a land called "Narnia". It has been winter in Narnia for
100 years, thanks to a spell cast by the cruel White Witch.

How have the life forms of Narnia survived? I would expect that the
grass, flowers, and fruit would not grow in the snow. This would cause
the herbivores, bees, and birds to starve, which would wipe out the
animals that feed on herbivores, birds, and bees. Granted, Narnia's
animals seem to be as smart as Earth humans, but I don't see how they
could practice farming in all that snow (especially since they have only
a medieval level of technology. I saw no sign of industrialization, use
of fossil fuels, or even greenhouses). The rivers and lakes are
completely frozen, which would eliminate the fresh water fish and any
animals that prey on such fish.
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In article <45FA47B5.A7EB471.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
> How have the life forms of Narnia survived?

Imported food from the nations to the south? I don't recall any mention
of the witch hassling them.

> The rivers and lakes are
> completely frozen, which would eliminate the fresh water fish

That doesn't keep humans from fishing. Why would it keep creatures of
human intelligence, some of whom can use tools and all of whom can
cooperate, from fishing? I think a greater concern would be how much
oxygen is available to the fish if light is limited and temperatures are
low for a century.

But you left out bigger questions: Why attempt to apply reality to a
land created as the setting for allegorical stories? Is a spoiler alert
really needed for a story over 50 years old? Why does Mr Tumnus wear a
scarf?

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Jeff Stehman wrote:

> In article <45FA47B5.A7EB471.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
> > How have the life forms of Narnia survived?
>
> Imported food from the nations to the south? I don't recall any mention
> of the witch hassling them.
>
> > The rivers and lakes are
> > completely frozen, which would eliminate the fresh water fish
>
> That doesn't keep humans from fishing. Why would it keep creatures of
> human intelligence, some of whom can use tools and all of whom can
> cooperate, from fishing? I think a greater concern would be how much
> oxygen is available to the fish if light is limited and temperatures are
> low for a century.

The beavers said that the river had been frozen solid for a century, meaning
that it was ALL ice! Hence the fish would have frozen to death. With the
river all ice, there would be no way to get the fishing line INTO the river!

> But you left out bigger questions: Why attempt to apply reality to a
> land created as the setting for allegorical stories? Is a spoiler alert
> really needed for a story over 50 years old? Why does Mr Tumnus wear a
> scarf?

The scarf left most of his upper body exposed to the cold air. How can he
stand it?
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>>>>> "TB" == Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:

TB> In this movie, 4 kids, named Lucy, Susan, Edmund, and Peter go
TB> through a wardrobe into a land called "Narnia". It has been
TB> winter in Narnia for 100 years, thanks to a spell cast by the
TB> cruel White Witch.

TB> How have the life forms of Narnia survived?

If you can accept that a spell can magically prevent the seasons from
changing, why not accept that the breaking of the spell magically
restores all the lifeforms to life?

Why are you attempting to apply real-world physics to a world that was
built as a setting for Christian allegory?

Charlton


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Charlton Wilbur wrote:

> >>>>> "TB" == Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:
>
> TB> In this movie, 4 kids, named Lucy, Susan, Edmund, and Peter go
> TB> through a wardrobe into a land called "Narnia". It has been
> TB> winter in Narnia for 100 years, thanks to a spell cast by the
> TB> cruel White Witch.
>
> TB> How have the life forms of Narnia survived?
>
> If you can accept that a spell can magically prevent the seasons from
> changing, why not accept that the breaking of the spell magically
> restores all the lifeforms to life?

I'm wondering how was it that there were so many trees and animals alive
DURING the great freeze! I wasn't asking about life forms being
resurrected Jesus style after the thaw!
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>Spoilers below for The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe:

Just curious here on several points:
1) Is it really necessary to put in spoiler space for classics that have
been out for decades?
2) I notice you've appeared here and started six different threads, all on
Narnia, all on the same day, except you're crossposting them to four
_different_ sets of newsgroups. Is this gonna become like the other extended
non-interactions I've seen from you over the years, where you either
continuously try to resurrect the thread that has the title "Longest Thread
Ever", apparently for your own enjoyment only, or where you keep crossposting
sequences of unintelligible puns into other newsgroups regardless of how
many people express their dislike of it or ask you flat-out to stop? Both
apparently without actually reading the groups you crossposted into? (And
from reading the 'discussion' you're attempting to have on the Narnia books,
I don't think you're actually trying to have a discussion, I think you're
just trying to provoke reactions so the threads get longer?)
Cuz, if you're planning on doing the same sorts of thing to/in r.a.sf.w that
I've seen you do elsewhere for several years, I'd like to know, so I know if I
need to create a killfile, just for you.

Dave
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In article <45FA47B5.A7EB471 DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
> Spoilers below for The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe:
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> In this movie, 4 kids, named Lucy, Susan, Edmund, and Peter go through a
> wardrobe into a land called "Narnia". It has been winter in Narnia for
> 100 years, thanks to a spell cast by the cruel White Witch.
>
> How have the life forms of Narnia survived? I would expect that the
> grass, flowers, and fruit would not grow in the snow. This would cause
> the herbivores, bees, and birds to starve, which would wipe out the
> animals that feed on herbivores, birds, and bees. Granted, Narnia's
> animals seem to be as smart as Earth humans, but I don't see how they
> could practice farming in all that snow (especially since they have only
> a medieval level of technology. I saw no sign of industrialization, use
> of fossil fuels, or even greenhouses). The rivers and lakes are
> completely frozen, which would eliminate the fresh water fish and any
> animals that prey on such fish.
>
Well.. first off Narnia isn't the whole world, it's just one country
therein. So critters and plants probably continue to grow elsewhere. I
always assumed this was largely a symbol of the Whit Witch's fondness
for control of other beings, and for stasis ("Always winter, never
Christmas") and if all the beings died she'd only have the latter. So
food presumably gets into the country one way or another.
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<rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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> > > I watched the C.S.Lewis tv film last night, and it featured Joy
Gresham
> > > asking Lewis where the beavers got the oranges from. He was unable to
> > > answer, but she then got him off the hook by postulating a Narnian
black
> > > market. Basically she was using it as an excuse for flirting. What's
> > > Bruening's excuse?
> >
> > Were either Lewis or Joy married at the time?
>
> Apparently so. However, _Shadowlands_, if that's it, is somewhat a
> work of fiction.

This wasn't Shadowlands - it was supposedly factual, but I think there
must
have been some dramatic license. It was mostly Lewis giving
autobiography to
camera, with flashbacks to what he was describing.

Strangely, given the Narnian reference in the title, it concentrated on
the
Gresham stuff which happened after the Narnia books were all written. It
had
all been covered in Shadowlands, which was a TV film/play/Cinema film.

> > That I would like to know how the sentient beings of Narnia obtained
food in
> > all that snow and ice and completely frozen bodies of water.

> Possibly at very high prices from Jadis's government importer or palace
> greenhouses. There may also have been a population crash.

> Is the length of the Narnian year known?

Since Narnia was created for Terrestrial creatures, I assume that the
year would be similar to Earth's year, otherwise we would have biorhythm
upsets.
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> > > I watched the C.S.Lewis tv film last night, and it featured Joy Gresham
>> > > asking Lewis where the beavers got the oranges from.

....Trading with the Calormene. Duh.

>> > That I would like to know how the sentient beings of Narnia obtained
>food in
>> > all that snow and ice and completely frozen bodies of water.
>
>> Possibly at very high prices from Jadis's government importer or palace
>> greenhouses. There may also have been a population crash.

Exporting snow and ice when all the surrounding countries are in midsummer
can't help but be profitable, I'd think. Followups set.

Dave
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David DeLaney wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> ><rja.carnegie RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote in message
> >> > > I watched the C.S.Lewis tv film last night, and it featured Joy Gresham
> >> > > asking Lewis where the beavers got the oranges from.
>
> ...Trading with the Calormene. Duh.
>
> >> > That I would like to know how the sentient beings of Narnia obtained
> >food in
> >> > all that snow and ice and completely frozen bodies of water.
> >
> >> Possibly at very high prices from Jadis's government importer or palace
> >> greenhouses. There may also have been a population crash.
>
> Exporting snow and ice when all the surrounding countries are in midsummer
> can't help but be profitable, I'd think. Followups set.

When the White Witch sent her wolves after Peter, Susan, Lucy, and the Beavers, why
didn't she order them to remain quiet to avoid warning their targets?
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