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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:00 pm
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| Chronicles of Narnia isn't hard sci-fi. It's science fiction/fantasy
that plays hard and fast with the rules. If it has magic, then it's
usually not hard sci-fi. For that matter ask how the faun is able to
balance himself or how Azlan talks.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:12 pm
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:43AD03AA.ADCB4C5D@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
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> > > > 1) And as Mark noted in his review, "Mr. and Mrs. Beaver [are] two
> > beavers
> > > > who talk but never say their reaction to the enormous fur coats that
the
> > > > children wear."
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> > > > 2) Does all this really need spoiler space?
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> > No.
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> > > Animals kill each other for food and shelter, why would they react to
the
> > > humans killing animals?
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> > Talking animals are regarded in Narnia as being equivalent to human. If
a
> > talking animal or a human kills a talking animal, that is murder. The
> > beavers would assume that the fur coats were taken from non-talking
animals,
> > which is almost certainly true. In TSC, the characters are horrified to
find
> > they are eating a talking animal. (To varying degrees, depending on how
> > Narnia-accustomed they are).
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> > Talking animals tend to approximate to human size. A beaver in Narnia
would
> > be much larger than a regular beaver. (Horses, OTOH would be about the
same
> > size).
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> The talking horse I saw in the movie was as large as a normal horse.
The talking animals tended to be approximately the same size, so they could
form a functioning society. They were mostly on human scale. Reepicheep is
the size of a human midget. There would be no point in the horses growing
much bigger. That does mean that a talking lion is at constant risk of
eating a talking horse. Probably he sticks to rabbits and beavers, so he can
be safe.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:49 pm
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lclough wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > lclough wrote:
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> >>Leebehr wrote:
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> >>>IIRC some of the talking animals were slightly larger than the
> >>>nonspeaking ones. At least as far as the smaller creatures were
> >>>concerned. that _might_ make them easier to identify...
> >>>
> >>
> >>There is also the fact that talking animals tend to be carrying
> >>artifacts (swords, armor), tools (sewing machines) or to be
> >>talking constantly. How annoying it must be to be a Talking Cat
> >>or Fox, and have to search for the -right- prey.
> >
> >
> > The existence of sewing machines in Narnia indicates a technology
> > equivalent to at least the 19th century (I understand that sewing
> > machines were invented in the 19th century). Why don't the Narnians
> > have guns (invented long before the 19th century)?
> >
>
> Obviously, because they do not actually manufacture anything of
> this sort, paws and beaks anc claws not being handy for the
> operation of heavy equipment. All this stuff is made someplace
> far away (Calormene? Archenland?) and imported. With what is
> the Narnian economy paying for these imports? I suggest that
> there is a reason why the funerary customs of the country are
> never gone into. Mortuaries in Narnia also double as tanneries
> and fur exporters. You could probably do something with the
> meat as well...
If Calormen or Archenland have sewing machine technology, why don't they
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:13 pm
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:48 pm
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peterwezeman RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> Fireworks are mentioned several times in the stories, so the Narnians
> do have gunpowder.
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> Peter Wezeman
> anti-social Darwinist
Where are fireworks mentioned, and why didn't the White Witch use them
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:19 pm
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David Johnston wrote:
>>I have to imagine that that situation makes things difficult for
>>predators, especially the big hunting cats.
>>
>>*pounce* "Uh, scuse me- can you talk? Hello? Ouch! Can you- hang on
>>a second- can you understand me?"
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> The talking animals were generally larger than their dumb cousins and
> the only predator I remember from the books was Aslan anyway. Letting
> yourself get eaten by Aslan is a holy duty.
>
I haven't read the books in a while, but there were quite a few
leopards, and a couple of tigers, IIRC in Aslan's Army. >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:54 pm
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:49:50 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>> never gone into. Mortuaries in Narnia also double as tanneries
>> and fur exporters. You could probably do something with the
>> meat as well...
>
>If Calormen or Archenland have sewing machine technology, why don't they
>have gun technology too?
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What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:54 pm
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:49:50 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> >> never gone into. Mortuaries in Narnia also double as tanneries
> >> and fur exporters. You could probably do something with the
> >> meat as well...
> >
> >If Calormen or Archenland have sewing machine technology, why don't they
> >have gun technology too?
> >
>
> What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
> to gun technology?
I was thinking that a culture capable of making sewing machines would also be
capable of making guns, and would do so to fend off enemies. >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:54 pm
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> I was thinking that a culture capable of making sewing machines would also be
> capable of making guns, and would do so to fend off enemies.
>
Is there some part of the word "allegory" that you don't understand? I
suggest you invest in a good dictionary. The Chronicles of Narnia are
not history books, they are *STORIES* with talking animals etc standing
in for various groups on our Earth. >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:58 pm
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:46:58 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
>> to gun technology?
>
>I was thinking that a culture capable of making sewing machines would also be
>capable of making guns,
You think sewing machines are powered by gunpowder? >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:36 am
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Mark Atwood wrote:
> If you can build a sewing machine, you can build a WW2 era battle
> rifle, and you can build an AK-47 knock-off. You can also make the
> brass and bullets, and you build the (re)loader to put them
> together. (In fact, the AK-47 would be *easier* to build than the
> sewing machine. A lot fewer parts, and a lot looser tolerances.)
> The only possible "out" would be an Alien Space Bat scenario, similar
> to _Dies the Fire_, where in this case the ASB in question would be
> Aslan, who would have had to slipped into the Creation Song a verse
> along the lines of "the chemistry of life works, possibly aided by
> some sort of non-rational magic, but the chemistry of explosives
> doesnt work".
There's also the Doctor Who "out", where practically every
creature out there is impervious to bullets (thus rendering
Pertwee era UNIT dependent upon the Doctor to come up
with some clever non-bullet based way to deal with the
alien/robot/dinosaur menace).
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:52 pm
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:58:26 GMT, rgorman DeleteThis @block.net (David Johnston) wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 15:46:58 -0800, Tim Bruening
><tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>>>
>>> What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
>>> to gun technology?
>>
>>I was thinking that a culture capable of making sewing machines would also be
>>capable of making guns,
>
> You think sewing machines are powered by gunpowder?
 Jeweler's paste.
Bree
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:25 pm
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In article <43aecb25.927889.TakeThisOut@news.telusplanet.net>,
rgorman.TakeThisOut@block.net (David Johnston) wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:49:50 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> >> never gone into. Mortuaries in Narnia also double as tanneries
> >> and fur exporters. You could probably do something with the
> >> meat as well...
> >
> >If Calormen or Archenland have sewing machine technology, why don't they
> >have gun technology too?
Gun manufacture sort of led to sewing machine manufacture (mass
production of standardized parts). Gunpowder, per se, was unrelated,
except that nations *really* wanted to make a *lot* of gunpowder weapons
cheaply, which drove the manufacturing process.
But there's no reason that machines like sewing machines couldn't have
come about after, say, agricultural machinery technology made their
development and mass production possible.
> What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
> to gun technology? >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:28 pm
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In article <43AF2F72.17C50AAD.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> David Johnston wrote:
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> > On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:49:50 -0800, Tim Bruening
> > <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > >> never gone into. Mortuaries in Narnia also double as tanneries
> > >> and fur exporters. You could probably do something with the
> > >> meat as well...
> > >
> > >If Calormen or Archenland have sewing machine technology, why don't they
> > >have gun technology too?
> > >
> >
> > What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
> > to gun technology?
>
> I was thinking that a culture capable of making sewing machines would also be
> capable of making guns, and would do so to fend off enemies.
One that could make sewing machines might never have stumbled over gun
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:30 pm
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In article <m21x001ifc.fsf.RemoveThis@amsu.fallenpegasus.com>,
Mark Atwood <me.RemoveThis@mark.atwood.name> wrote:
> rgorman.RemoveThis@block.net (David Johnston) writes:
> >
> > What makes you think that sewing machine technology inevitably leads
> > to gun technology?
>
> They use pretty much exactly the same materials, machineing, tool&die,
> and manufacturing techniques.
>
> During WW2 in the US, sewing machine production came to a dead stop,
> as all the factories that made them were (without too much effort)
> converted over to manufacturing small arms.
>
> If you can build a sewing machine, you can build a WW2 era battle
> rifle, and you can build an AK-47 knock-off. You can also make the
> brass and bullets, and you build the (re)loader to put them
> together. (In fact, the AK-47 would be *easier* to build than the
> sewing machine. A lot fewer parts, and a lot looser tolerances.)
What if you've never developed any propellants? >> Stay informed about: 100 Year Winter: Narnia Movie |
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