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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:30 am
Post subject: Re: magic rings [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 19 Feb, 17:55, Tim Bruening <tsbru....TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> "mike_in_the_west" <mhc....TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote in message
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> >I recently skimmed thru MN (The Magician's Nephew). Maybe the group can
> > clarify some questions about the magic rings used by Digory and Polly
> > to cross into the Wood between the Worlds.
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> > (I'm trying to iron out what seem to be some important internal
> > inconsistencies in the Narnia books.)
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> > 1) After Digory retrieves a magic apple for Aslan, he asks what would
> > have happened if he ate one himself (against Aslan's explicit orders).
> > Aslan proceeds to tell him "what would have been." But elsewhere in the
> > book series, Lewis makes a big deal about Aslan never telling "what
> > would have been."
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> > 2) Digory sees the potential horrific effects of magic after Aslan
> > tells him that the Witch Jadis will get long life from eating the magic
> > apple. Aslan later tells Digory to bury the magic rings so that nobody
> > can use them again. Flashforward to LB - Digory suggests using the
> > magic rings to tranport Eustace and Jill to Narnia.
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> > I don't think these are nitpicks, but I could be mistaken 
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> And then Peter got smashed up in a train accident while carrying the
> rings. What happened to the rings? Did they survive the accident? If
> so, did anyone accidently touch them and get transported to the Wood
> Between the Worlds. If they got smashed, did they release any magic
> dust into the air?- Hide quoted text -
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Forget Narnia. It's not going to be realised in America. Americans are
going to Hell.
Lewis's real genius was his religious writing. Superb stuff. The
Problem of Pain, Mere Christianity, Screwtape..... etc., etc.
Narnia is nice, but Lewis was an even bigger genius with his other
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:15 pm
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"Paul {Hamilton Rooney}" <PaulVRooney.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 19 Feb, 17:55, Tim Bruening <tsbru....RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> "mike_in_the_west" <mhc....RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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> news:1140926485.075832.310840@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
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> >I recently skimmed thru MN (The Magician's Nephew). Maybe the group can
> > clarify some questions about the magic rings used by Digory and Polly
> > to cross into the Wood between the Worlds.
>
> > (I'm trying to iron out what seem to be some important internal
> > inconsistencies in the Narnia books.)
>
> > 1) After Digory retrieves a magic apple for Aslan, he asks what would
> > have happened if he ate one himself (against Aslan's explicit orders).
> > Aslan proceeds to tell him "what would have been." But elsewhere in the
> > book series, Lewis makes a big deal about Aslan never telling "what
> > would have been."
>
> > 2) Digory sees the potential horrific effects of magic after Aslan
> > tells him that the Witch Jadis will get long life from eating the magic
> > apple. Aslan later tells Digory to bury the magic rings so that nobody
> > can use them again. Flashforward to LB - Digory suggests using the
> > magic rings to tranport Eustace and Jill to Narnia.
>
> > I don't think these are nitpicks, but I could be mistaken
>
> And then Peter got smashed up in a train accident while carrying the
> rings. What happened to the rings? Did they survive the accident? If
> so, did anyone accidently touch them and get transported to the Wood
> Between the Worlds. If they got smashed, did they release any magic
> dust into the air?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Forget Narnia. It's not going to be realised in America. Americans are
going to Hell.
Lewis's real genius was his religious writing. Superb stuff. The
Problem of Pain, Mere Christianity, Screwtape..... etc., etc.
Narnia is nice, but Lewis was an even bigger genius with his other
stuff.
particularly the SF Venus novels |
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:38 pm
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Roberto Abajo wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in news:47BAA797.B5EFB803
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>> "mike_in_the_west" <mhcole RemoveThis @mac.com> wrote in message
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>>> 1) After Digory retrieves a magic apple for Aslan, he asks what would
>>> have happened if he ate one himself (against Aslan's explicit
>>> orders). Aslan proceeds to tell him "what would have been." But
> elsewhere in the book series, Lewis makes a big deal about Aslan never
> telling "what would have been."
>
>>> 2) Digory sees the potential horrific effects of magic after Aslan
>>> tells him that the Witch Jadis will get long life from eating the
>>> magic apple. Aslan later tells Digory to bury the magic rings so
>>> that nobody can use them again. Flashforward to LB - Digory suggests
>>> using the magic rings to tranport Eustace and Jill to Narnia.
>>>
>>> I don't think these are nitpicks, but I could be mistaken
>
> Maybe you're confusing that with "other people's stories", which Aslan
> consistently avoids telling, bar fragments that are involved directly with
> the person he's talking to -- for example in THAHB Aramis gets clawed by a
> lion (actually Aslan) only so much as would punish her for the flogging
> that Aramis caused a household servant to unjustly receive by a secret
> drugging.
I don't think he is. In chapter 10 of /Prince Caspian/, when Lucy
meets Aslan and realizes belatedly that she should have left the
others to follow him, she asks, "You mean that it would have turned
out all right -- somehow? But how? Please, Aslan! Am I not to
know?" To which he responds, "To know what would have happened,
child? No. Nobody is ever told that."
Paul Ford's /Companion to Narnia/ has an entry on this principle
under "positivity" which gives more citations (and also notes that
Digory was, in fact, told what would have happened)! This at least
seems to be a serious philosophical issue in the books, rather than
a "was Dr. Watson wounded in the shoulder or the leg?" nitpick. >> Stay informed about: magic rings |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:48 am
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Steve Morrison <rimagen.RemoveThis@toast.net> wrote in
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> Roberto Abajo wrote:
>> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in
>> news:47BAA797.B5EFB803 @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us:
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>>> "mike_in_the_west" <mhcole.RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> 1) After Digory retrieves a magic apple for Aslan, he asks what
>>>> would have happened if he ate one himself (against Aslan's explicit
>>>> orders). Aslan proceeds to tell him "what would have been." But
>> elsewhere in the book series, Lewis makes a big deal about Aslan
>> never telling "what would have been."
>>
>>>> 2) Digory sees the potential horrific effects of magic after Aslan
>>>> tells him that the Witch Jadis will get long life from eating the
>>>> magic apple. Aslan later tells Digory to bury the magic rings so
>>>> that nobody can use them again. Flashforward to LB - Digory
>>>> suggests using the magic rings to tranport Eustace and Jill to
>>>> Narnia.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think these are nitpicks, but I could be mistaken
>>
>> Maybe you're confusing that with "other people's stories", which
>> Aslan consistently avoids telling, bar fragments that are involved
>> directly with the person he's talking to -- for example in THAHB
>> Aramis gets clawed by a lion (actually Aslan) only so much as would
>> punish her for the flogging that Aramis caused a household servant to
>> unjustly receive by a secret drugging.
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> I don't think he is. In chapter 10 of /Prince Caspian/, when Lucy
> meets Aslan and realizes belatedly that she should have left the
> others to follow him, she asks, "You mean that it would have turned
> out all right -- somehow? But how? Please, Aslan! Am I not to
> know?" To which he responds, "To know what would have happened,
> child? No. Nobody is ever told that."
>
> Paul Ford's /Companion to Narnia/ has an entry on this principle
> under "positivity" which gives more citations (and also notes that
> Digory was, in fact, told what would have happened)! This at least
> seems to be a serious philosophical issue in the books, rather than
> a "was Dr. Watson wounded in the shoulder or the leg?" nitpick.
>
OK, I was very wrong on that, and it is indeed a philosophical
inconsistency. Calmer, I do indeed remember that from *Prince Caspian*.
Apologies to mike_in_west.
Apologies also to the group, also, for answering primarily in exasperation
at Tim Bruening's brand of posts and not separating the two respondents.
At my age, I ought to know better than to answer TB at all.
RA >> Stay informed about: magic rings |
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