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ernestf

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:26 am
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"T" <tberk DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > Yeah, thx for playing along BUT the real story is the 4 Light Year*
long
 > Slaver Stasis Field enclosed (oh lets make it Lucite) rod.
 >
 > Lets see, light travels 5,865,696,000,000 miles in a terrestrial year,
 > So (4 x 5,865,696,000,000) =
 >
 > 23,462,784,000,000 Miles long. Yikes!
 >
 > So, does motion on one end instantly translate at the other end? If
not,
 > why not? If so, why so?

My understanding of relativity is that it would not, *in the real
world*. In Niven's Known Space, who knows? It might work, because it's
established that they have faster-than-light, and that throws *our*
science into a tailspin.

In the real world, propogation effects come into play. Atom (or
molecule, or whatever unit you choose) X+1 cannot move until moved by
Atom X.

It's like the balls in that swing toy with a bunch of balls hanging on
string. The first one hits the second, the second hits the third, and
eventually the end of the string is hit, and goes caromming out.

In no case (as far as we know) can *any* message travel faster than the
speed of light, therefore, the message "The rod is moving" cannot move
faster than that to the end. It might travel at the speed of light, but
cannot travel faster. It would take four years (or longer, possibly much
longer) for the message to reach the end.

Have a great day!

Ernest
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:20 am
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<< From: "Allen W. McDonnell" tanada.RemoveThis@provide.net >>


<< I thought you were using your cardboard office moduales inside the framework
of the stasis piping, then when the earthquake happens your stasis office
modules bump hard on the stasis building frame and whoops, there goes
another building! >>

Oh. Yeah, that would happen, if you buy the man/kzin collision bit, which I
don't. Another problem with that is it would render stasis fields useless in
battle, when all the enemy has to do is shoot cue balls in stasis (which would
be a pretty good weapon anyway) at you.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:27 am
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anim8rfsk.DeleteThis@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) wrote in message news:<20040412192009.19668.00000321.DeleteThis@mb-m10.aol.com>...
 > << From: "Allen W. McDonnell" tanada.DeleteThis@provide.net >>
 >
 >
 > << I thought you were using your cardboard office moduales inside the framework
 > of the stasis piping, then when the earthquake happens your stasis office
 > modules bump hard on the stasis building frame and whoops, there goes
 > another building! >>
 >
 > Oh. Yeah, that would happen, if you buy the man/kzin collision bit, which I
 > don't. Another problem with that is it would render stasis fields useless in
 > battle, when all the enemy has to do is shoot cue balls in stasis (which would
 > be a pretty good weapon anyway) at you.

Well thrint are stupid so perhaps this is the ususal Tcnuctpickktilly trap<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:03 pm
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<< From: darklensman.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (Dark Lensman) >>


<< Another problem with that is it would render stasis fields useless in
 > battle, when all the enemy has to do is shoot cue balls in stasis (which
would
 > be a pretty good weapon anyway) at you.

Well thrint are stupid so perhaps this is the ususal Tcnuctpickktilly trap >>

Heh. Puppeteers aren't stupid though (the whole 'wing on the outside' bit
aside) nor are Kzin, and they both think stasis fields are a good way to
protect your ship.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:35 pm
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Allen W. McDonnell wrote:
 > No wonder the ARM suppressed the Stasis field!

Not to burst your bubble, but the field invented in "ARM" is the _opposite_ of
the Slaver stasis field. Inside a stasis field, time stops. Inside the "ARM"
field, time runs faster than it does outside.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:00 am
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"John David Galt" <jdg.TakeThisOut@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message
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 > Allen W. McDonnell wrote:
  > > No wonder the ARM suppressed the Stasis field!
 >
 > Not to burst your bubble, but the field invented in "ARM" is the
_opposite_ of
 > the Slaver stasis field. Inside a stasis field, time stops. Inside the
"ARM"
 > field, time runs faster than it does outside.
 >

I was speaking of the Slaver Stasis Field, not the field invented by
Sinclair. Both were suppressed by the ARM organization. As of the Man-Kzin
war one period they had only three Stasis fields, the one at the research
lab in World of Ptavvs, the one in the passanger compartment on the Lazy
Eight III colony slow boat, and the one used to haul the assassins to
Wunderland during the first Man-Kzin war aboard a ram robot.

Allen W.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:23 pm
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Boys, you missed a point. If anything violated the speed of light in your
dowel it would violate it in any stasis field, shape wouldn't matter.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:37 pm
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What about relativistic effects, The wave gets going, but inertia increases
to infinite amounts, and of course the wave shortens to infinitely small and
thereby disappears. HAY! this is how a stasis field works, it slows the
speed of light down, and relativity does the rest. I can have one of these
up and running by Tuesday latest.
Hold on there is a knock at the door........
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:31 am
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dangerboy wrote:
> What about relativistic effects, The wave gets going, but inertia increases
> to infinite amounts, and of course the wave shortens to infinitely small and
> thereby disappears. HAY! this is how a stasis field works, it slows the
> speed of light down, and relativity does the rest. I can have one of these
> up and running by Tuesday latest.
> Hold on there is a knock at the door........
>
>


lol!


My my my, how hoary my thread has gotten. :])


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