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> <<snips>>
>
>>> ObDisclosure: I work with, and occasionally establish policies for, both
>>> IT and INFOSEC for a large organization.
>>>
>>> Joe Morris
>>>
>> I work for a university. Within reason, they'll install certain programs
>> for you if you ask
>> (and in some cases, provide the software), with the understanding that
>> they're not providing
>> support for it, so I've got my WordPerfect Suite. But some programs update
>> so regularly, that
>> it's a hassle to be calling IT all the time. (We won't go into not being
>> able to de-frag our hard
>> drives or correct the time on the computer clocks.......)
>
> Yeah, you have to LOVE that "security" aspect of being a limited user on
> Windoze. Where you can't even set the darn TIME on the machine! I've had
> to leave several users as Administrators, simply because the computers clock
> MUST be accurate (to within a few seconds or better) to time the News
> program properly. XP will only set the clock on a weekly basis, I can tell
> About Time to go to any time server I want (in this case it's on the
> in-house network) as often as I want it to. The time is usually accurate to
> a few 10's of milliseconds, close enough!

I also use About Time! I believe it actually does pings and times them
to correct for transmission times. If you don't mind it constantly
running in the background you can even set it to check at regular
intervals. http://arachnoid.com/abouttime/index.html

At work we have some samples with isotopes with short half-lifes that
need to be counted within 5 to 15 minutes, and knowing the sample time
to the second is important for accurate decay corrections. The counting
system we *just* left behind was a VAX, not known for its accurate
clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003 server based computer; at least
the time should be correct now, when it works at all.

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Aaron wrote:
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> At work we have some samples with isotopes with short half-lifes that
> need to be counted within 5 to 15 minutes, and knowing the sample time
> to the second is important for accurate decay corrections. The counting
> system we *just* left behind was a VAX, not known for its accurate
> clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003 server based computer; at least
> the time should be correct now, when it works at all.

Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?

Whoa.

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> <<snips>>
>> At work we have some samples with isotopes with short half-lifes that
>> need to be counted within 5 to 15 minutes, and knowing the sample time
>> to the second is important for accurate decay corrections. The
>> counting system we *just* left behind was a VAX, not known for its
>> accurate clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003 server based computer;
>> at least the time should be correct now, when it works at all.
>
> Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?
>
> Whoa.

We are still using VAXes! Off the top of my head my department is using
3 VAXes, they do tend to be more reliable than the MS-driven boxes.

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Aaron, almost ANYTHING is more reliable than a MicroShaft driven box.

"Aaron" <kemtek.1 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> <<snips>>
>>> At work we have some samples with isotopes with short half-lifes that
>>> need to be counted within 5 to 15 minutes, and knowing the sample time
>>> to the second is important for accurate decay corrections. The counting
>>> system we *just* left behind was a VAX, not known for its accurate
>>> clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003 server based computer; at least
>>> the time should be correct now, when it works at all.
>>
>> Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?
>>
>> Whoa.
>
> We are still using VAXes! Off the top of my head my department is using 3
> VAXes, they do tend to be more reliable than the MS-driven boxes.
>
> --
> I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
> That's what everybody calls me.
>
> Hemidemisemideity of Anonymous Eponymity
> Patron Saint of Hair Color Changing
> Currently: Light Golden Blonde (Hydrience #4).
> Holder of a provisional pedant licens/ce
> (limited to the area of physical sciens/ce)
> Member of ABMLNCSC - Base singer, very base
> "Mommy, make daddy stop singing".
>
> I dye my hair so much my driver's license
> has a color wheel. Nancy Mura
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In article <NYSdnaKy_Lf-0fbanZ2dnUVZ_rqlnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
<"Lurker@The.Threshold"> wrote:

> Aaron, almost ANYTHING is more reliable than a MicroShaft driven box.
>
<snip>

Yup. From my ancient (computing-wise) TI-99/4A's to my many renditions
of MacOS machines.

Rick (sometimes is a GentleRF and sometimes is not)
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Aaron wrote:
>> <<snips>>
>>> At work we have some samples with isotopes with short half-lifes that
>>> need to be counted within 5 to 15 minutes, and knowing the sample
>>> time to the second is important for accurate decay corrections. The
>>> counting system we *just* left behind was a VAX, not known for its
>>> accurate clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003 server based
>>> computer; at least the time should be correct now, when it works at all.
>>
>> Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?
>>
>> Whoa.
>
> We are still using VAXes! Off the top of my head my department is using
> 3 VAXes, they do tend to be more reliable than the MS-driven boxes.

I forgot to mention, the in-plant computers that receive readings from
in-line sampling modules feed that monitor data to a VAX are MS-DOS
boxes, either 286 or 386 CPUs.

Semi-schematically:

Sampling device -> MS-DOS -> VAX storage.

The data can be viewed on other DOS machines; actually Pentium 4 boxes
running WinXP with a DOS window. If those have a problem it usually
requires a total restart to get it running again, almost like the DOS
program thinks it is the only program running, and to hell with the
effects on XP.

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That's what everybody calls me.

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Currently: Light Golden Blonde (Hydrience #4).
Holder of a provisional pedant licens/ce
(limited to the area of physical sciens/ce)
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"Mommy, make daddy stop singing".

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Aaron wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>
<<snips>>
>>>> corrections. The counting system we *just* left behind was a VAX,
>>>> not known for its accurate clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003
>>>> server based computer; at least the time should be correct now, when
>>>> it works at all.
>>>
>>> Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?

>> We are still using VAXes! Off the top of my head my department is
>> using 3 VAXes, they do tend to be more reliable than the MS-driven boxes.

Not the most stellar endorsement I've ever read. :>

> I forgot to mention, the in-plant computers that receive readings from
> in-line sampling modules feed that monitor data to a VAX are MS-DOS
> boxes, either 286 or 386 CPUs.
>
> Semi-schematically:
>
> Sampling device -> MS-DOS -> VAX storage.
>
> The data can be viewed on other DOS machines; actually Pentium 4 boxes
> running WinXP with a DOS window. If those have a problem it usually
> requires a total restart to get it running again, almost like the DOS
> program thinks it is the only program running, and to hell with the
> effects on XP.

DOS was written in a loner's world, computer-wise. (what, more than one
computer? Why would someone want that?)

On the upside, you've provided me with a good example to tell my students,
as a reason why it is important for them to use more than one OS while in
college. ("Yes, dear, that does mean I need you to sit down at the Solaris
box. Don't worry. It won't bite.")

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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On the upside, you've provided me with a good example to tell my students,
> as a reason why it is important for them to use more than one OS while in
> college. ("Yes, dear, that does mean I need you to sit down at the
> Solaris box. Don't worry. It won't bite.")

But what about the Firecats that come with Solaris?

Joe Morris (who also talks about OS diversity when doing his show-and-tell
of early computer artifacts to high-school students)
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Joe Morris wrote:
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On the upside, you've provided me with a good example to tell my students,
>>as a reason why it is important for them to use more than one OS while in
>>college. ("Yes, dear, that does mean I need you to sit down at the
>>Solaris box. Don't worry. It won't bite.")
>
> But what about the Firecats that come with Solaris?

<snicker>

> Joe Morris (who also talks about OS diversity when doing his show-and-tell
> of early computer artifacts to high-school students)

oooooo. sounds like a cool talk.

(Well, from my POV. High school students are trickier to predict the
tastes of. :> )

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m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> Aaron wrote:
>> Aaron wrote:
>>
> <<snips>>
>>>>> corrections. The counting system we *just* left behind was a VAX,
>>>>> not known for its accurate clock. We are now using a Windoze 2003
>>>>> server based computer; at least the time should be correct now,
>>>>> when it works at all.
>>>>
>>>> Duuuuuuuude... people are still (almost still) using VAX?
>
>>> We are still using VAXes! Off the top of my head my department is
>>> using 3 VAXes, they do tend to be more reliable than the MS-driven
>>> boxes.
>
> Not the most stellar endorsement I've ever read. :>
>
>> I forgot to mention, the in-plant computers that receive readings from
>> in-line sampling modules feed that monitor data to a VAX are MS-DOS
>> boxes, either 286 or 386 CPUs.
>>
>> Semi-schematically:
>>
>> Sampling device -> MS-DOS -> VAX storage.
>>
>> The data can be viewed on other DOS machines; actually Pentium 4 boxes
>> running WinXP with a DOS window. If those have a problem it usually
>> requires a total restart to get it running again, almost like the DOS
>> program thinks it is the only program running, and to hell with the
>> effects on XP.
>
> DOS was written in a loner's world, computer-wise. (what, more than one
> computer? Why would someone want that?)
>
> On the upside, you've provided me with a good example to tell my
> students, as a reason why it is important for them to use more than one
> OS while in college. ("Yes, dear, that does mean I need you to sit down
> at the Solaris box. Don't worry. It won't bite.")
>


Jesse still uses Solaris, occasionally. But then Aerospace is known for
being Slow To Change.

Kat
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
> Joe Morris wrote:
>> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:

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>> Joe Morris (who also talks about OS diversity when doing his
>> show-and-tell of early computer artifacts to high-school students)

> oooooo. sounds like a cool talk.

> (Well, from my POV. High school students are trickier to predict the
> tastes of. :> )

That's one reason that I go into the class meetings with no fixed lesson
plan. I use a reasonable fixed introduction (talking, for example, about
"what is a computer" and pointing out that "computer" was once a human
profession) and then start pulling out artifacts, mostly from the '60s and
'70s...and let the students' visible interest guide both the scope and
detail of the remainder of the however much time the instructor gives me.

I normally do this in the spring but this year it was in late November, with
three classes, with students ranging from freshman taking introductory
statistics to a senior AP math group. The younger students are
(unsurprisingly) more scattered in their interest, but I think that they
still take from the presentation some appreciation for the evolution of what
is now called "Information Technology" -- and, more importantly, the idea
that the evolution will continue through their professional careers, and
they'll need to adjust to the changes it makes.

Of course, there are occasional side excursions during the presentation. A
couple of years ago I was showing the students my pilot's E6B computer (it's
a circular slide rule designed for use in the cockpit); one of the girls in
the class wanted to know what her prospects might be as an airline pilot.
My answer: "probably pretty good if you're qualified; there is still some
prejudice but more and more women are getting airline pilot jobs."

Joe Morris
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Joe Morris wrote:
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>Joe Morris wrote:
>>>"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>
> [message body snipped]

>>>Joe Morris (who also talks about OS diversity when doing his
>>>show-and-tell of early computer artifacts to high-school students)
>
>>oooooo. sounds like a cool talk.
>>(Well, from my POV. High school students are trickier to predict the
>>tastes of. :> )
>
>
> That's one reason that I go into the class meetings with no fixed lesson
> plan. I use a reasonable fixed introduction (talking, for example, about
> "what is a computer" and pointing out that "computer" was once a human
> profession) and then start pulling out artifacts, mostly from the '60s and
> '70s...and let the students' visible interest guide both the scope and
> detail of the remainder of the however much time the instructor gives me.

That sounds like a *heavy* collection to be hauling around a high school!
What I've seen of 60's and 70's computing technology did not feature
"lightweight" as an accurate description very much. ;>

> I normally do this in the spring but this year it was in late November, with
> three classes, with students ranging from freshman taking introductory
> statistics to a senior AP math group. The younger students are
> (unsurprisingly) more scattered in their interest, but I think that they
> still take from the presentation some appreciation for the evolution of what
> is now called "Information Technology" -- and, more importantly, the idea
> that the evolution will continue through their professional careers, and
> they'll need to adjust to the changes it makes.

I hope they keep that impression with them!

> Of course, there are occasional side excursions during the presentation. A
> couple of years ago I was showing the students my pilot's E6B computer (it's
> a circular slide rule designed for use in the cockpit); one of the girls in
> the class wanted to know what her prospects might be as an airline pilot.
> My answer: "probably pretty good if you're qualified; there is still some
> prejudice but more and more women are getting airline pilot jobs."

<g> As I said -- high school students are tough to predict!

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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
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> Joe Morris wrote:

>> That's one reason that I go into the class meetings with no fixed lesson
>> plan. I use a reasonable fixed introduction (talking, for example, about
>> "what is a computer" and pointing out that "computer" was once a human
>> profession) and then start pulling out artifacts, mostly from the '60s
>> and '70s...and let the students' visible interest guide both the scope
>> and detail of the remainder of the however much time the instructor gives
>> me.
>
> That sounds like a *heavy* collection to be hauling around a high school!
> What I've seen of 60's and 70's computing technology did not feature
> "lightweight" as an accurate description very much. ;>

True...including a plugboard for a 514 Reproducing Punch with lots of lead
in the frame, which I "programmed" to duplicate the first four columns of a
card deck. (BTW...that requires twelve wires, four to read the source card
and punch its data into the blank stock, then four to reread the source card
and four more to read the card just punched to make certain that the punch
worked as it should.)

And to add to the fun the school is currently in a massive rebuilding
project that when finished will link the three separate buildings...but in
the meantime the construction areas block the "good" paths between the
buildings (which are at different levels on a very steep slope), so this
year I got a one-day parking permit directly in front of the main building
and used the car's trunk as a staging area rather than hauling everything to
each classroom. And did I mention that the construction has already
demolished the only elevator at the school?

When the construction is finished the buildings will be beautiful...but in
the meantime it's hell getting between classrooms in different levels of
different buildings. Everyone there gets their aerobic exercise.

Joe
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