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Jamie Armstrong

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:52 pm
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Halion wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2007, 20:19, Paul S. Person
> <psper....RemoveThis@ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> PJ shows a celebratory feast in Edoras that comes
>> right out of /HOME/ and was not in /LOTR/ at all.
>
> Where in /HOME/ is such a feast described?

HoME 8: The War of the Ring, Book Five begun and abandoned:

"...at the feast when all the benches and tables were arranged five
hundred sat that night at the King's feast." (p.248)

But the feast takes place at Dunharrow, not Edoras. Description is a
little strong: it's just mentioned. An earlier passage runs

"Here we will [?hold] the feast of victory so long delayed...
"The torchlit stone hall.
"Merry sat beside Theoden as was promised.
"Eowyn brings in the cup for the drinking.
"Even as Theoden drains it the messenger comes." (p.236)

Also

""The feast hall had long been silent...
"Eowyn brings wine.
"...remembering his promise at Isengard, Theoden summoned Merry and set
him at his left hand at the high table upon the stone dais. On the
King's right sat Eowyn and Eomer, and at the table's end Aragorn.
Legolas and Gimli sat beside Merry. The three companions spoke much
togetherin soft voices, while all about them the speech of Rohan rolled
loud and clear." (p.244)

There is, however, no drinking contest <g>

I assume this is what Paul was referring to?

Jamie

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:22 pm
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"Jamie Armstrong" <J.D.Armstrong DeleteThis @durham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Halion wrote:
>> On 26 Dec 2007, 20:19, Paul S. Person
>> <psper... DeleteThis @ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> PJ shows a celebratory feast in Edoras that comes
>>> right out of /HOME/ and was not in /LOTR/ at all.
>>
>> Where in /HOME/ is such a feast described?
>
> HoME 8: The War of the Ring, Book Five begun and abandoned:

<snip>

> There is, however, no drinking contest <g>
>
> I assume this is what Paul was referring to?

Good find. Though to be fair to the film-makers, they could say they were
doing a bog-standard "Northern Germanic culture" drinking hall scene. Maybe
Larry or others can fill us in on how accurately the film portrayed this.

And talking of Anglo-Saxon or Danish culture being portrayed on film, has
anyoen see Beowulf yet? Do change the thread title if you have, or start a
new one. Actually, I'll do that now.

Christopher

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Jamie Armstrong

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:44 pm
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> "Jamie Armstrong" <J.D.Armstrong.DeleteThis@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Halion wrote:
>>> On 26 Dec 2007, 20:19, Paul S. Person
>>> <psper....DeleteThis@ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PJ shows a celebratory feast in Edoras that comes
>>>> right out of /HOME/ and was not in /LOTR/ at all.
>>> Where in /HOME/ is such a feast described?
>> HoME 8: The War of the Ring, Book Five begun and abandoned:
>
> <snip>
>
>> There is, however, no drinking contest <g>
>>
>> I assume this is what Paul was referring to?
>
> Good find. Though to be fair to the film-makers, they could say they were
> doing a bog-standard "Northern Germanic culture" drinking hall scene. Maybe
> Larry or others can fill us in on how accurately the film portrayed this.
>
Its pretty fair, I'd say:

"Day after day he [Grendel] heard the din of merry-making
inside the hall, and the sound of the harp
and the bard's clear song.
....
"Then, under cover of night, Grendel came
to Hrothgar's lofty hall to see how the Ring-Danes
were disposed after drinking ale all evening;
and he found there a band of brave warriors
well-feasted, fast asleep, dead to worldly sorrow,
man's sad destiny."
(Beowulf, trans. Kevin Crossley-Holland)

Also

"Aelwine said (and he spoke bravely);
'Think of all the times we boasted
at the mead-bench, heroes in the hall
predicting our own bravery in battle."
(The Battle of Maldon, trans. Kevin Crossley-Holland)

That gives me an impression of exuberant and raucous young men trying to
outdo one another.

> And talking of Anglo-Saxon or Danish culture being portrayed on film, has
> anyoen see Beowulf yet? Do change the thread title if you have, or start a
> new one. Actually, I'll do that now.
>
Haven't seen it.

Jamie
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Paul S. Person

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:48 pm
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:52:12 +0000, Jamie Armstrong
<J.D.Armstrong.RemoveThis@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

>Halion wrote:
>> On 26 Dec 2007, 20:19, Paul S. Person
>> <psper....RemoveThis@ix.netscom.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> PJ shows a celebratory feast in Edoras that comes
>>> right out of /HOME/ and was not in /LOTR/ at all.
>>
>> Where in /HOME/ is such a feast described?
>
>HoME 8: The War of the Ring, Book Five begun and abandoned:
>
>"...at the feast when all the benches and tables were arranged five
>hundred sat that night at the King's feast." (p.248)
>
>But the feast takes place at Dunharrow, not Edoras. Description is a
>little strong: it's just mentioned. An earlier passage runs
>
>"Here we will [?hold] the feast of victory so long delayed...
>"The torchlit stone hall.
>"Merry sat beside Theoden as was promised.
>"Eowyn brings in the cup for the drinking.
>"Even as Theoden drains it the messenger comes." (p.236)
>
>Also
>
>""The feast hall had long been silent...
>"Eowyn brings wine.
>"...remembering his promise at Isengard, Theoden summoned Merry and set
>him at his left hand at the high table upon the stone dais. On the
>King's right sat Eowyn and Eomer, and at the table's end Aragorn.
>Legolas and Gimli sat beside Merry. The three companions spoke much
>togetherin soft voices, while all about them the speech of Rohan rolled
>loud and clear." (p.244)
>
>There is, however, no drinking contest <g>
>
>I assume this is what Paul was referring to?

Almost certainly. As usual, my memory of it was close but not
right-on.
--
"He who should know the history of words
would know all history"
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:50 am
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"Troels Forchhammer" <Troels RemoveThis @ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote in message

> But doesn't New Line still have the LotR license as well? And if not, I
> would expect that they would find no problems getting permission from
> Zaentz to use the appendices (IIRC Zaentz defended Jackson when it
> seemed that he and New Line couldn't find an agreement).

I would assume they do, as it had the same expiration date as the Hobbit.
And yes... the appendices provide enough material to "fill in the gaps" a
bit between the 2 stories, easily enough to base the extra movie around.

And even that which is not licensed is still in play for "historical
accuracy" - so long as specific quoted dialogue is not used. You can't
prove a negative.

-W
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