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Howard Brazee

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:57 pm
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:42:01 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>Larry Greenberg the telepath in "World of P'tavvs" ought to be good at
>detecting pickpockets by reading their minds, and Gil "the Arm" Hamilton ought
>to be good at pickpocketing with his psychic hand.

Hardly sportsmanlike.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:59 pm
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:15:33 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>> The trouble with this logic is that we don't need a law against
>> pickpocketing - all we need is a law against stealing. So in his
>> environment I expect there's a law against stealing and laws listing
>> when the first law doesn't apply.
>
>A law saying it isn't "stealing" if the perp takes just the cash from the
>wallet and promptly mails the wallet back to its owner?

So they pass that law - with support from whom? The person who gets
robbed then goes after him for violating his personal integrity or
something. Isn't that how things work?

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:49 am
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In article <477224B6.6F923C34.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening wrote:
> How in the world were the nations of Earth persauded to repeal the laws
> against pickpocketing?
>
Are there specific laws against pickpocketing? IANAL, but I don't
think I've heard of any in my jurisdiction. The standard laws against
theft (viz: depriving someone of the use of their property without lawful
excuse, so stealing someone's car keys but not taking the car could
result in a charge of theft of a motor vehicle.) continue to apply, of
course, so stealing something by pickpocketing is pretty much
indistinguishable to smash'n'grab.

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Written at Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:24 GMT, but posted later.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:57 am
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ilya2.DeleteThis@rcn.com wrote:

> > Yes, the overarching implication is not just that the practice has been
> > decriminalized in the sense of it's no longer enforced, but rather that
> > it has been fully legalized and it is no longer in violation of any law
> > whatsoever. In other words, it's not that the police won't help you;
> > it's that the pickpockets _aren't doing anything wrong_.
> >
> > > I have just figured out why pickpocketing might have been legalized
> > > after it became impossible to stop: so that the pickpocketers would be
> > > more likely to return the wallets after removing the money!
> >
> > You've absolutely no incentive to return the wallet if you can't be
> > caught, and especially if _there is no law against what you're doing_.
> > The premise here is that it was legalized because it was impossible to
> > enforce. If so, even before it was legalized, there is zero incentive
> > to return the wallet, because you cannot possibly be identified. After
> > it's legalized, you're not even committing a crime anymore, so you're
> > free and clear to do whatever you like.
> >
> > This is why the notion is so fundamentally goofy.
>
> Not *entirely* goofy -- Niven explains that in Beowulf Schaeffer's
> time pickpocketing is essentially a game of skill. If you notice the
> pickpocket and catch his hand, you win. If you don't, he wins.
> Returning your wallet afterwards is "common courtesy" -- failing to do
> so is legal, but unsportsmanlike.

Any ideas on how pickpocketing changed from being a crime to being a national
sport?
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