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(Msg. 61) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:43 pm
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Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> In message <news:tn1qn3plbhaen44q0nfbpar19vh2jl9iao@4ax.com>
> Morgoth's Curse <morgothscurse2002.DeleteThis@nospam.yahoo.com> spoke these
> staves:

>
>> If only it were! TEUNC is a sinister organization founded in the
>> Tolkien newsgroups which advocates bad spelling and grammar.
>
> Which is worse? Advocating grammar or advocating bad spelling? >:->

ooh, ooh, ooh! I know, I know. Bad grammer is evil, bad speling is just
sloppy.

>> In other words, TEUNC is Evil Incarnate!
>
> Of course not -- Peter, don't listen to his man -- honestly, he even
> acknowledges to being a curse!
>
> Now, if you can find a Friday to be in Copenhagen, then perhaps we
> can invite Öjevind over and I'll give a round of beers (or the drink
> of your choice) while we explain what TEUNC /really/ is (heh! Beat
> that offer, Curse!)

I have _got_ to get to Copenhagen.
--
derek

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(Msg. 62) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:18 am
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"Sean" <no.spam RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote:

> Cirdan, any time before the 4th age (I also like boats, and
> speedy get-aways).

<mental image of Cirdan in a speedboat!>

> * Some long dragged-out thing about moles

Dunton Wood and the rest (the Duncton Chronicles) by William Horwood.

Christopher

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(Msg. 63) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:54 am
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"Morgoth's Curse" <morgothscurse2002.RemoveThis@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Who's Who of the Tolkien Newsgroups 2008 *

Some great replies. Was going to take my time replying, but might as well do
it now rather than later. No time like the present.

> Name/Alias(es):

Christopher Kreuzer

> Gender:

M

> Age:

30

> Nationality:

British

(London, England)

> Posting since:

Every month since December 2003! Also posted in December 2002 and January
2003. First posted back in 1996, but missed out on the fun that followed in
the next few years... (some Balrog wings war and some films). In other
words, I discovered the Tolkien USENET newsgroups while at university, but
didn't really post regularly until after the films.

> Heroes:

None that really stand out.

> What are your hobbies and/or interests?:

Reading. Chess. Science. History. Science fiction.

> What do you dislike?:

Answering questionnaires...

> How did you discover the works of J.R.R. Tolkien?:

Not sure. Think someone must have bought me /The Hobbit/ as a child (or
maybe I found it myself one day on one of the frequent trips to the library
and bookshops). From there it was a short step to /The Lord of the Rings/
and then, a few years later, /The Silmarillion/.

> Which of J.R.R. Tolkien's books have you read and which is your
> favorite?:

Took me a while to go beyond the big three - until university in fact, but
even then it was only /Unfinished Tales/. Reading (not buying, that came a
few years earlier) /Letters/ and /Biography/ and starting on /The History of
Middle-earth/ really only came after leaving university. I've now read most
of the other works (including the essays and pieces like Roverandom and The
Father Christmas Letters), but the vast bulk of HoME still defeats me. I
read lots of books by others about Tolkien and his works, but those pesky
HoME volumes slowly moulder away. One day. One day! Smile

Favourite is /The Silmarillion/, but the chapter-of-the-week series gave me
a new appreciation of LotR, and what a masterwork it is.

> Which is your favorite character from "The Hobbit"? "The Lord of the
> Rings"? "The Silmarillion"?:

From TH, it is Bilbo, and from LotR, Gandalf, but no-one really stands out
from Silm. If pressed, I'd say Finrod Felagund, or maybe Luthien.

> Where would you live if you could dwell anywhere in Middle-earth?:

I think I'd prefer to stay here actually! Smile And we all live in
Middle-earth anyway, every time we read the books.

> Which lord would you serve if you lived in Middle-earth? (You can
> choose any of the lords from any of the first three ages.):

The White Rider ("our captain and our banner").

> Have you ever tried to learn to speak or write any of the languages
> that Tolkien invented?:

Nope. I've tried to learn to read some of them, but not write or speak.
Though if reading them aloud counts as speaking...

> Has Tolkien inspired you to write any stories of your own?:

Sadly not.

> Has Tolkien had any impact on the moral choices of your life? (In
> other words, did you recall specific quotes from his works when you
> were trying to figure out what was the right thing to do?):

Possibly, but unlikely.

> Would you recommend the works of Tolkien to your friends?:

Yes, though I don't do this enough.

> Do you have a favorite Tolkien-related website?:

The Tolkien Sarcasm one.
Someone has already quoted it.

> What is your favorite Tolkien-related reference book?:

The J. R. R. Tolkien Encyclopedia. Some poor entries, but the best ones are
very, very good. Debatable whether those alone justify the cost, but have a
look if you get the chance.

> What other authors has Tolkien inspired you to read?:

None.

> What other authors do you currently enjoy reading?:

David Gemmell, J. K. Rowling (I had to see what the fuss was about, and
realised I needed to read all the other six books before the last one came
out...). Many other authors I've read include: Isaac Asimov, Arthur C.
Clarke, Larry Niven, Greg Bear, Iain M. Banks, C. S. Lewis, Ray Bradbury,
John Wyndham, and the list goes on. Lots of chess books and popular science
books, and the Tolkien connection to World War I has awakened an interest in
World War I history as well.

> Did you enjoy any of the movies about Middle-earth?:

I enjoyed the Bakshi cartoon and the Rankin Bass cartoons. Oh! You mean
/those/ movies? Smile Yes, I enjoyed the Peter Jackson movies, even though I
have severe criticisms of them. Overall, I doubt I will watch the Peter
Jackson movies much again (or even the other ones), except as light
entertainment. Too many other films to watch and books to read.

> Bonus question: Are you friend or foe of TEUNC, the Dark Lord of
> Chaos and Strife?

A0b5va3ent.

Christopher
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:25 am
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Derek Broughton <news DeleteThis @pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Dirk Thierbach wrote:

>>> (I did get the diacritical on Fëanor right, didn't I?)

>> And the trema here, OTOH, isn't really important; that's just to
>> tell English readers that they should pronounce it Fe-anor instead
>> of using a vowel as in English "fear". Most non-English readers are
>> not tempted to do that in the first place Smile

> To somebody of Tolkien's educational level and period, that trema
> (diaresis) would probably just be natural

I have the impression that to him it is more natural to rely on the
knowledge which vowel combinations are diphtongs, and which aren't -- and
for Quenya are Sindarin, these are fixed, as outlined in Appendix E.
I vaguely seem to remember that Tolkien himself said that he adopted
the trema as help for English readers, but I cannot find the quote at
the moment.

> (though maybe not - Fowler's says it's more common in America - but
> I was taught to use them). It's used with any double-vowel, where
> the vowels are in separate syllables: cooperate, naive, etc. But
> it's "coöperate" and "naïve",

I don't know about the English usage, but in German, the trema can
easily be confused with the umlaut sign. So it's safe to have a trema
above i and e, and it's usually also safe to have the trema on the
second of a double vowel, because I don't think that can happen
naturally.

Maybe that influenced Tolkien to choose "ëa", "ëo", "oë", and only
switch to "Eä" when the E is capitalised. (Which I didn't know for
quite so time, because the part on pronounciation was missing from the
German translation, so I pronounced "Eärendil" incorrectly until I
read an English edition.)

- Dirk
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:22 am
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"Derek Broughton" <news.DeleteThis@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelandet
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[snip]

> To somebody of Tolkien's educational level and period, that tremor
> (diuresis)
> would probably just be natural

Poor old Tollers!

Öjevind
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:38 am
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:44:04 -0400, Derek Broughton
<news DeleteThis @pointerstop.ca> wrote:

>Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>
>> In message <news:fu1pn3lu5m1mmihe0dfjtnljrdfqifv60m@4ax.com>
>> Morgoth's Curse <morgothscurse2002 DeleteThis @nospam.yahoo.com> spoke these
>> staves:
>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> If you have read LoTR, you have read "The Sword of Shannara."
>>
>> No.
>>
>Yeah, really. There's hardly an original thought to be found in the first
>half (at least). I've heard it got better in the second half of the first
>book, but I couldn't bring myself to read that far.

I read it and, by the end of the book, I was enjoying it. Despite its
derivative nature.
--
"A portent, therefore, happens not contrary to nature,
but contrary to what we know as nature."
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:07 pm
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:

> "Sean" <no.spam RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote:
>
>> Cirdan, any time before the 4th age (I also like boats, and
>> speedy get-aways).
>
> <mental image of Cirdan in a speedboat!>
>
>> * Some long dragged-out thing about moles
>
> Dunton Wood and the rest (the Duncton Chronicles) by William Horwood.

I actually own a copy of Duncton Wood - one of the few books I own that's
never been reread. Do you mean there are actually sequels? My faint
recollection is just "/Watership Down/ with moles".
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:33 pm
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Öjevind Lång wrote:

> "Derek Broughton" <news RemoveThis @pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelandet
> news:2486464.x4y7fxf3uY@cedar.serverforest.com...
>
> [snip]
>
>> To somebody of Tolkien's educational level and period, that tremor
>> (diuresis)
>> would probably just be natural
>
> Poor old Tollers!

Hey! I've been misquoted! (Though I had to go back and check, because I
really couldn't be sure - and I'm a good enough typist that my fingers work
fairly automatically, but not good enough to actually notice half of my
typos Smile )

[Very funny, anyway!]
--
derek
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:08 pm
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In message <news:1380270.8KAgodQ8QA@cedar.serverforest.com>
Derek Broughton <news.DeleteThis@pointerstop.ca> spoke these staves:
>
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>

<snip>

>> Now, if you can find a Friday to be in Copenhagen, then perhaps
>> we can invite Öjevind over and I'll give a round of beers (or the
>> drink of your choice) while we explain what TEUNC /really/ is
>> (heh! Beat that offer, Curse!)
>
> I have _got_ to get to Copenhagen.

Any time!

You or any other AFT/RABT poster who find themselves in Copenhagen and
who won't mind spending an evening in town discussing Tolkien (perhaps
among other things) Wink

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <troelsfo(a)gmail.com>
Please put [AFT], [RABT] or 'Tolkien' in subject.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are
subtle and quick to anger.
- Gildor Inglorion, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:22 pm
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Paul S. Person wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:44:04 -0400, Derek Broughton
> <news.RemoveThis@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, really. There's hardly an original thought to be found in the first
>>half (at least). I've heard it got better in the second half of the first
>>book, but I couldn't bring myself to read that far.
>
> I read it and, by the end of the book, I was enjoying it. Despite its
> derivative nature.

As they say, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". I'm not totally
sure I agree, but I've never minded reading something _just_ because it was
derivative. Someday, when I run out of books to read, I'll give Brooks
another try Smile
--
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:08 pm
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:43:41 +0100, Troels Forchhammer
<Troels.TakeThisOut@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:

>> In other words, TEUNC is Evil Incarnate!
>
>Of course not -- Peter, don't listen to his man -- honestly, he even
>acknowledges to being a curse!
>
>Now, if you can find a Friday to be in Copenhagen, then perhaps we
>can invite Öjevind over and I'll give a round of beers (or the drink
>of your choice) while we explain what TEUNC /really/ is (heh! Beat
>that offer, Curse!)

I'm not worried. You are bound to misspell the address and Peter will
get lost or arrive too late and find that you and Ojevind have quaffed
all the beer. Wink

Morgoth's Curse
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:40 pm
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"Derek Broughton" <news.DeleteThis@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelandet
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> Öjevind Lång wrote:
>
>> "Derek Broughton" <news.DeleteThis@pointerstop.ca> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:2486464.x4y7fxf3uY@cedar.serverforest.com...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> To somebody of Tolkien's educational level and period, that tremor
>>> (diuresis)
>>> would probably just be natural
>>
>> Poor old Tollers!
>
> Hey! I've been misquoted! (Though I had to go back and check, because I
> really couldn't be sure - and I'm a good enough typist that my fingers
> work
> fairly automatically, but not good enough to actually notice half of my
> typos Smile )
>
> [Very funny, anyway!]

I couldn't resist it! Very Happy

Öjevind
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:41 pm
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"Troels Forchhammer" <Troels DeleteThis @ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
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> In message <news:1380270.8KAgodQ8QA@cedar.serverforest.com>
> Derek Broughton <news DeleteThis @pointerstop.ca> spoke these staves:
>>
>> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Now, if you can find a Friday to be in Copenhagen, then perhaps
>>> we can invite Öjevind over and I'll give a round of beers (or the
>>> drink of your choice) while we explain what TEUNC /really/ is
>>> (heh! Beat that offer, Curse!)
>>
>> I have _got_ to get to Copenhagen.
>
> Any time!
>
> You or any other AFT/RABT poster who find themselves in Copenhagen and
> who won't mind spending an evening in town discussing Tolkien (perhaps
> among other things) Wink

I'm game!

Öjevind
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:30 pm
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Name/Alias(es):

Mouzafphaerre or Hayreddin Barbarossa in gaming communities; Erundur
in TLD (The Last Days of the Third Age, a Middle-earth modification
for the RPG Mount&Blade) This is my first post under alias. I was
lurking and occasionally popping my head up under my real name through
usenet until the spambot flood disconcerted me.

Gender: Y

Age: 32

Nationality: Turkish (I don't believe in nations.)

Posting since: 2006

How did you discover the works of J.R.R. Tolkien?:

Various people on internet communities using aliases taken from the
Middle-earth legendarium got me curious, as to how come such second-
rate action movies could have so much influence. Wink

Which of J.R.R. Tolkien's books have you read and which is your
favorite?:

The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales,
The Book of Lost Tales 1-2, The Lays of Beleriand, the articles on
Beowulf, English and Welsh and invented languages; currently reading
The Shaping of Middle-earth and Letters (on and off), The Lost Road
will be the next.

Where would you live if you could dwell anywhere in Middle-earth?:
Hard to say but Rohan is my choice of the moment.

Which lord would you serve if you lived in Middle-earth? (You can
choose any of the lords from any of the first three ages.): Eru

Have you ever tried to learn to speak or write any of the languages
that Tolkien invented?: Some Tengwar.

Has Tolkien inspired you to write any stories of your own?:

Inspired and incited, yes, but I don't find myself really good at it.

Has Tolkien had any impact on the moral choices of your life? (In
other words, did you recall specific quotes from his works when you
were trying to figure out what was the right thing to do?):

Not really, but his work has made me feel close to him in some
aspects. We have properties in common with him and also conflicting
ones.

Would you recommend the works of Tolkien to your friends?: Yes.

Do you have a favorite Tolkien-related website?: Ardalambion.

What other authors has Tolkien inspired you to read?:

Don't think I'll be content with any if I keep comparing.

Did you enjoy any of the movies about Middle-earth?:

Haven't seen any but the infamous b-movie triology.

Bonus question: Are you friend or foe of TEUNC, the Dark Lord of
Chaos and Strife?

Who's that?
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(Msg. 75) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:52 pm
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Okay. Fine. Morgoth's Curse <morgothscurse2002.RemoveThis@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Who's Who of the Tolkien Newsgroups 2008 *

Can you play if you only post once every few years? Smile

> Name/Alias(es):

O. Sharp. Alias: God-Emperor of the Known Universe.

> Gender:

Yes. Definitely.

> Age:

47.

> Nationality:

These days I'm a little scared to admit to it. :/ Suffice to say I
_could_ have voted for Mr. Reagan or either of the Bushes, but am glad to
report I didn't. Smile

> Posting since:

<does a quick lookup> "Sat, 10 Dec 1994 20:01:25 GMT".

> Heroes:

I'm honestly not sure I've ever _had_ a hero. There are people I have a
lasting, deep respect for, and from whom I still learn: F.D.R., John
Cleese (not so much for his humor as for his writing about his experiences
in life, though I do like his humor), Nikola Tesla, and just in the last
few months I've started listening to recordings of M.L. King's old
sermons and been quite moved by them. But "heroes", to me, brings an
unwelcome connotation of being all googly-eyed and sappy and writing fan
letters and putting pictures of the Object Of Adoration[tm] up all over
the house. That is _emphatically_ not me. Smile

> What are your hobbies and/or interests?:

Woodworking. Programming. Restoring vintage computers (including a PDP-8/I
and a PDP-12). Basset hounds. Writing. Historical research. Wandering
around used bookstores. Walking. Erotic bondage. Old movies. Why the hell
am I telling _you_ all this? Are you going to buy me a compound miter saw
or something?

> What do you dislike?:

Apart from the Obvious Dislikes (war, suffering, mindless theocracy,
accidentally shooting nail-guns into my hand, He Who Must Not Be Named),
not that much; I'm reasonably tolerant. Lemme think... Okay. I dislike
the fact that our house is so small that I haven't got room for all of
my hobbies. Smile

> How did you discover the works of J.R.R. Tolkien?:

My older brothers were reading it when I was about seven. I had to borrow
their copies to see what all the fuss was about.

> Which of J.R.R. Tolkien's books have you read and which is your
> favorite?:

Oh, for God's sake. For the former question I'd have to generate a
book-list. For the latter you'd get a different answer every half-hour.
Smile I'd suspect if I had to pick a favorite bit, it'd be the various
incarnations of the Tale Of Beren And Luthien - particularly the version
in _Lays Of Beleriand_.

> Which is your favorite character from "The Hobbit"? "The Lord of the
> Rings"? "The Silmarillion"?:

Isn't that like asking what your favorite ingredient is in a recipe? The
question is making my head hurt. Pass. Smile

> Where would you live if you could dwell anywhere in Middle-earth?:

I suppose Tainquetil is out of the question. Smile I'd say Nargothrond
while it was at peace and before Celegorm and Curufin showed up; or
Khazad-dum before Durin's Bane showed up (or, hell, even before Annatar,
Lord Of Gifts showed up and started teaching Ring-lore to everybody).

> Which lord would you serve if you lived in Middle-earth? (You can
> choose any of the lords from any of the first three ages.):

"I don't work for anybody. Everybody works for _me_."
-Jonas Acme, Fair-Haired Pharoah Of American Industry,
from Firesign Theatre's _Tale Of The Giant Rat Of Sumatra_.

> Have you ever tried to learn to speak or write any of the languages
> that Tolkien invented?:

As others have noted, "tried" is the operative word. Smile

> Has Tolkien inspired you to write any stories of your own?:

I have written stories of my own, but Tolkien didn't really inspire me to
write them. He _has_, however, inspired me to write many bad Middle-Earth
jokes of varying length. Smile

....Actually, I may have to revise my answer. Is "Saruman's Diary"
(http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/saruman.htm) something one would consider
a "story"?

> Has Tolkien had any impact on the moral choices of your life? (In
> other words, did you recall specific quotes from his works when you
> were trying to figure out what was the right thing to do?):

I do find Gandalf taught me more than I had consciously realized while
reading. As a typical example, when looking at a problem which admits of a
"quick fix" solution or a permanent solution which requires a hell of a
lot more time and effort to make happen, I find myself mumbling thinkgs
like, "We should seek a final end of this menace" and suchlike. Smile

> Would you recommend the works of Tolkien to your friends?:

I've _bought_ the works of Tolkien for my friends, so that would be yes.
I mean, come on! The name of the newsgroup isn't "rec.arts.books.well-we-
-don't-really-like-the-guy". Smile

> Do you have a favorite Tolkien-related website?:

I _should_ immediately answer _The Tolkien Sarcasm Page_
(http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/tolksarc.htm), especially as it's
mine anyway. Smile But I will admit I've found one I like better: _Tales
From The Prancing Pony_, at http://www.amazonsystems.co.uk/pony/pp.htm, my
only complaint about it being that it is too short. Smile

> What is your favorite Tolkien-related reference book?:

_LotR: A Reader's Companion_ by Hammond and Scull.

> What other authors has Tolkien inspired you to read?:

Errr, none, really. Unless you could Hammond and Scull, I suppose. Or
Christopher Tolkien. Or the others in this newsgroup. Smile

> What other authors do you currently enjoy reading?:

I've been reading a lot of Lovecraft over the past year or so, and
transcripts of Martin Luther King's speeches - which, needless to say,
are pretty easy to keep separate. Smile

....One question you could add for _next_ year's questionnaire would be:
what books (apart from JRRT) could you not do without? I'd pick three:
_Families And How To Survive Them_ by John Cleese and Robin Skynner, _West
With The Night_ by Beryl Markham and maybe the _Captain Blood_ series by
Rafael Sabatini.

> Did you enjoy any of the movies about Middle-earth?:

Er. Uhm.

Visually, I thought Jackson's movies were extremely well-done. I thought
their visual depictions of Middle-earth were spot-on.

In terms of character, though, I thought their depicting Elrond as a
despiser of Men, Faramir as a spineless dolt, Denethor as a scummy tyrant
with absolutely no redeeming qualities, Merry and Pippin as juvenile
delinquents, Treebeard as so disinterested in the world he had to be
_tricked_ into going to Isengard, Aragorn as afraid of his title, Arwen as
a sword-wielding lunatic who greets her beloved by holding a sword to his
throat, Eowyn as a sword-wielding lunatic who _also_ greets Aragorn by
holding a sword to his throat (and, in the extended version, can't cook
either, an idea which didn't exactly serve the character _or_ the plot),
Galadriel as an outright power-mad psychotic who upon sight of the Ring
turns into Evil Queen Iron-Pants complete with solid-steel brassiere,
Legolas as (in Orlando Bloom's own words) "a sort of Elvish assassin",
and Gimli as... Gimli as something so completely and quintessentially
non-Gimli in every way, non-heroic, non-noble, non-intelligent and, most
ironically of all, non-funny (*) - took away a certain enjoyment of the
movies for me. Like, nearly all of it.

Grrrrr.

(*) - In the book, I found Gimli extremely humorous at times - but in a
quiet, practical, dry-wit sort of way. For example, in "The King Of The
Golden Hall", when Aragorn has been arguing with Hama about leaving
Anduril outside the door, he finally leaves his sword with the admonition
that "Death shall come to any man that draws Elendil's sword save
Elendil's heir." Gandalf has already left Glamdring, and Legolas his
weapons from Lothlorien that Hama is clearly terrified to touch. It
always makes me laugh when Gimli caps the scene off nicely with:

"Well, if it has Anduril to keep it company, my axe may stay here, too,
without shame."

...._Much_ funnier, I think, than the movie, where they jusy have them
taking off heaps of hidden weapons with the notion that having lots of
weapons is, in itself, somehow funny.

> Bonus question: Are you friend or foe of TEUNC, the Dark Lord of
> Chaos and Strife?

I have long respected the fine and noble art of TEUNCing, and have long
given my respects to the noble Dr. Hsu. That said, however, I still refuse
to make the Sign of M, nor to acknowledge the existence of any deified
human power greater than myself. Smile

> Notes:

Fix kitchen sink.
Take rightful place as God-Emperor.
Reroof front porch this Spring.

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ohh.RemoveThis@panix.com Ah, good. I've made my annual post. Now I can go
back to lurking till 2009. Smile
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