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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:50 am
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> Walter Bushell wrote:
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>> change into o bandersnatch if you eat some. The Thrint did eat them, but
>> I would suspect that eating them was suspended when they were found to
>> be sapient.
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> The Thrint never realized they were sapient!
I suspect that they did, once the rebellion started. |
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:36 am
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In article <proto-8B2043.08553314012008.TakeThisOut@70-1-84-166.area1.spcsdns.net>,
Walter Bushell wrote:
> Bandersnatchi do not taste like what you want to eat and you don't
> change into o bandersnatch if you eat some. The Thrint did eat them, but
> I would suspect that eating them was suspended when they were found to
> be sapient.
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It's canon that the brains of the Bandersnatchii were engineered to
be both large and tasty, to persuade the Thrint to want to have them around
the house as a food animal. The Tnuctipun did the designing so that the
Bandersnatchii would be able to act as spies, so they made the necessarily
large brain (necessary to be an effective spy) the tasty organ through
economy of effort.
Both Thrint and Tnuctipun were obligate carnivores ; neither would
have necessarily been disturbed by the thought of eating a sapient, which
appears to be a cultural phenomenon. In a canon story, the human Greenberg
(examining the memories of a Thrint) feels uncomfortable about that idea,
but that is the human examining the Thrint's memories, not the Thrint's own
feelings.
Many humans find eating (for an example) slightly stewed maggots to
be an uncomfortable idea. Others find it to be a delicacy. Sheep's
eyeballs, anyone? Or maybe a bit of cow ? - they're more intelligent than
sheep (slightly). Horse ? (brighter than cow). Dog ? (more intelligent than
horse? Pig ? (arguably more intelligent than dogs?) Dolphin ?
Within pretty broad limits, what is edible is a matter of cultural
tradition, not taste.
--
Aidan Karley,
Written at Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:18 GMT, but posted later.
"Please turn your monitors off when you leave the building. Not only does
it save power, but the flickering of the monitors annoys the pterosaur." |
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:06 pm
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> Both Thrint and Tnuctipun were obligate carnivores ; neither would
> have necessarily been disturbed by the thought of eating a sapient, which
> appears to be a cultural phenomenon.
The story "The Asteroid Queen" (MK3, I think) mentions that in Tnuctip
language the word for "aliens" translates as "food that talks". >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:04 pm
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Aidan Karley wrote:
> Both Thrint and Tnuctipun were obligate carnivores ; neither
> would have necessarily been disturbed by the thought of eating a
> sapient, which appears to be a cultural phenomenon. In a canon story,
> the human Greenberg (examining the memories of a Thrint) feels
> uncomfortable about that idea, but that is the human examining the
> Thrint's memories, not the Thrint's own feelings.
That's not my recollection. It was very much the "Thrint" part of
Kzanol-Greenberg that felt revulsion at the thought of intelligent food.
Brian
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If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:07 pm
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David DeLaney wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >David DeLaney wrote:
> >> And that they were originally bred to be food animals, waaaaay back when.
> >> (It was the tnuctipun who also made them intelligent and got them to spy,
> >> if I remember right.) Plus their skeletons made impressive trophies/building
> >> materials - wasn't it that one hunter guy Beowulf interacted with who had
> >> part of one?
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> >The Tnuctipun also ATE Bandersnatchi!
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> Yeah, well, nobody EVER said that the Tnuctipun were Nice Guys; they simply
> didn't like being enslaved, and had the wherewithal to plot hiddenly to bring
> an end, eventually, to their enslavers.
I found it intriguing that the Bandersnatchi would spy for beings that eat them! >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:03 pm
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Aidan Karley wrote:
> Many humans find eating (for an example) slightly stewed maggots to
> be an uncomfortable idea. Others find it to be a delicacy. Sheep's
> eyeballs, anyone? Or maybe a bit of cow ? - they're more intelligent than
> sheep (slightly). Horse ? (brighter than cow). Dog ? (more intelligent than
> horse? Pig ? (arguably more intelligent than dogs?) Dolphin ?
But what if the Dolphin lost all his money buying internet stocks on margin? >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:55 pm
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In article <5v4leuF1kflc4U1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>, Default User wrote:
> That's not my recollection. It was very much the "Thrint" part of
> Kzanol-Greenberg that felt revulsion at the thought of intelligent food.
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Hmmm, I'll have to re-read that one maybe. After I finish the
Counter-Creationism Handbook, Benton's Vertebrate Palaeontology, Margulis'
5 Kingdoms, the new Ediacaran book, and MKW-XI. Oh, and the other 3 books
brought over Xmas on the "unread" shelf.
Now what I really need is some gadget that would let me read *and*
*understand* two different books simultaneously.
--
Aidan Karley,
Written at Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:20 GMT, but posted later.
"Please turn your monitors off when you leave the building. Not only does
it save power, but the flickering of the monitors annoys the pterosaur." >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:27 pm
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In article <5v4leuF1kflc4U1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>, Default User wrote:
> That's not my recollection. It was very much the "Thrint" part of
> Kzanol-Greenberg that felt revulsion at the thought of intelligent food.
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Hmmm, I'll have to re-read that one maybe. After I finish the
Counter-Creationism Handbook, Benton's Vertebrate Palaeontology, Margulis'
5 Kingdoms, the new Ediacaran book, and MKW-XI. Oh, and the other 3 books
brought over Xmas on the "unread" shelf.
Now what I really need is some gadget that would let me read *and*
*understand* two different books simultaneously.
--
Aidan Karley,
Written at Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:20 GMT, but posted later.
"Please turn your monitors off when you leave the building. Not only does
it save power, but the flickering of the monitors annoys the pterosaur." >> Stay informed about: Bandersnatchi |
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