flat signed

Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
impossible to send the books out due to costs.

So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I find
flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit of
whimsy they feel like and many do.

As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone is
paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
that commercial in a positive manner. From what has been written, I think
Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser. He simply failed
in his duty to his customer. That speaks of an ego bigger than a barn. He
should be held accountable.

Willow
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"Willow Arune" <pangarun DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
> impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>
> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I find
> flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit of
> whimsy they feel like and many do.
>
> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone
> is
> paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
> that commercial in a positive manner. From what has been written, I think
> Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser. He simply
> failed
> in his duty to his customer. That speaks of an ego bigger than a barn.
> He
> should be held accountable.
>
> Willow

Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
he's going to get.

Flatsigned has got *more* publicity by hiring Imus to slam his
outdated book and then suing, than if he'd used a more
legitimate advertiser.

Kris
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"RF":

Go back to the Hardy boys - they are much more your style...

Simple, predictable and easy. Of course, the two lads were also polite -
you may have problems with that concept.

W.






"RF" <fwdixon DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:02 pm, "Willow Arune" <panga... DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote:

> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone
is
> paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
> that commercial in a positive manner.

As usual Mr. Sicko blathers on about that which he knows nothing.
Why not talk about what you DO know about: cutting your dick off?
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Willow Arune wrote:

> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
> impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>
> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I find
> flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit of
> whimsy they feel like and many do.
>
> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone is
> paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
> that commercial in a positive manner. From what has been written, I think
> Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser. He simply failed
> in his duty to his customer. That speaks of an ego bigger than a barn. He
> should be held accountable.
>
> Willow
>
>

Imus is a loud, irritating radio personality who should have stuck to photography.


Francis A. Miniter
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Kris Baker wrote:

>
> "Willow Arune" <pangarun DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
> news:Th3qj.5800$cc3.2786@edtnps82...
>
>> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
>> impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>>
>> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I find
>> flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever
>> bit of whimsy they feel like and many do.
>>
>> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if
>> someone is paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
>> that commercial in a positive manner. From what has been written, I
>> think Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser. He simply
>> failed in his duty to his customer. That speaks of an ego bigger than a
>> barn. He should be held accountable.
>>
>> Willow
>
>
> Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
> he's going to get.
>

What confuses me is that contracts for advertising are usually with radio
stations or radio networks. Contracts for endorsements are with personalities.
This sounds more like an advertising contract with the radio station/network,
and Imus flipped it. If it were a contract of endorsement, one would not expect
an outright, on-air breach that gets taped for later use in a trial.


Francis A. Miniter


> Flatsigned has got *more* publicity by hiring Imus to slam his
> outdated book and then suing, than if he'd used a more
> legitimate advertiser.
>
> Kris
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:34:16 -0800 (PST), RF <fwdixon.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Feb 5, 5:19 pm, "Willow Arune" <panga....TakeThisOut@telus.net> wrote:
>> "RF":
>>
>> Go back to the Hardy boys - they are much more your style...
>>
>> Simple, predictable and easy.  Of course, the two lads were also polite -
>> you may have problems with that concept.
>
>Yep, I like the Hardy Boys.
>You like to cut off your dick and pretend you are a woman.
>Who is better adjusted?

Is this a public vote? I vote dickless.
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.RemoveThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
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> Kris Baker wrote:
>
>>
>> "Willow Arune" <pangarun.RemoveThis@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:Th3qj.5800$cc3.2786@edtnps82...
>>
>>> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
>>> impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>>>
>>> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I find
>>> flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit
>>> of whimsy they feel like and many do.
>>>
>>> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if
>>> someone is paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a
>>> duty to present
>>> that commercial in a positive manner. From what has been written, I
>>> think Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser. He
>>> simply failed in his duty to his customer. That speaks of an ego bigger
>>> than a barn. He should be held accountable.
>>>
>>> Willow
>>
>>
>> Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
>> he's going to get.
>>
>
> What confuses me is that contracts for advertising are usually with radio
> stations or radio networks. Contracts for endorsements are with
> personalities. This sounds more like an advertising contract with the
> radio station/network, and Imus flipped it. If it were a contract of
> endorsement, one would not expect an outright, on-air breach that gets
> taped for later use in a trial.
>
>
> Francis A. Miniter

Imus owns his show, which is then sold to a syndicator. These types
of broadcasts carry their own advertising, although the local stations
can insert their own in planned spaces. Everyone you see with Imus
works for him, not for a radio station. He even has an ad salesman.
That's why you hear odd ads on radio talk shows, that you don't
hear elsewhere.

Kis
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.RemoveThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in
news:47a92e48@kcnews01:

> Kris Baker wrote:
>
>>
>> "Willow Arune" <pangarun.RemoveThis@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:Th3qj.5800$cc3.2786@edtnps82...
>>
>>> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would
>>> be impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>>>
>>> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I
>>> find flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add
>>> whatever bit of whimsy they feel like and many do.
>>>
>>> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if
>>> someone is paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor
>>> a duty to present that commercial in a positive manner. From what
>>> has been written, I think Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked
>>> the advertiser. He simply failed in his duty to his customer. That
>>> speaks of an ego bigger than a barn. He should be held accountable.
>>>
>>> Willow
>>
>>
>> Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
>> he's going to get.
>>
>
> What confuses me is that contracts for advertising are usually with
> radio stations or radio networks. Contracts for endorsements are with
> personalities.
> This sounds more like an advertising contract with the radio
> station/network,
> and Imus flipped it. If it were a contract of endorsement, one would
> not expect an outright, on-air breach that gets taped for later use in
> a trial.
>
>
> Francis A. Miniter


From my experience in radio (on-air and in the office) if an advertiser
wants to specify that one particular air personality does their ads,
they get to. They may have to pay a premium for someone with the "star
power" of an Imus or Howard Stern, but the advertiser can certainly make
it a condition of the purchase if they're willing to pay for it. They
can also specify that the ads are to be read live, not taped. Imus, on
the other hand, may have a clause in his contract that says he doesn't
have to read anything verbatim. If that's the case, then either the
radio ad salesman didn't tell Flattie about it, (that means the station
is at fault) or Flattie knew about it and went through with the buy
anyway (in which case he's got no case at all.)
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RF,

Happily, your posts can be blocked - and now are...

Willow
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On Feb 6, 12:40 am, R. Totale <slangtr....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I vote dickless.

Are you saying you have no dick? Doesn't surprise me.
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Barbara Bailey wrote:

> "Francis A. Miniter" <miniter DeleteThis @attglobalZZ.net> wrote in
> news:47a92e48@kcnews01:
>
>
>>Kris Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Willow Arune" <pangarun DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Th3qj.5800$cc3.2786@edtnps82...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would
>>>>be impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>>>>
>>>>So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations. I
>>>>find flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add
>>>>whatever bit of whimsy they feel like and many do.
>>>>
>>>>As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if
>>>>someone is paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor
>>>>a duty to present that commercial in a positive manner. From what
>>>>has been written, I think Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked
>>>>the advertiser. He simply failed in his duty to his customer. That
>>>>speaks of an ego bigger than a barn. He should be held accountable.
>>>>
>>>>Willow
>>>
>>>
>>>Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
>>>he's going to get.
>>>
>>
>>What confuses me is that contracts for advertising are usually with
>>radio stations or radio networks. Contracts for endorsements are with
>>personalities.
>> This sounds more like an advertising contract with the radio
>> station/network,
>>and Imus flipped it. If it were a contract of endorsement, one would
>>not expect an outright, on-air breach that gets taped for later use in
>>a trial.
>>
>>
>>Francis A. Miniter
>
>
>
> From my experience in radio (on-air and in the office) if an advertiser
> wants to specify that one particular air personality does their ads,
> they get to. They may have to pay a premium for someone with the "star
> power" of an Imus or Howard Stern, but the advertiser can certainly make
> it a condition of the purchase if they're willing to pay for it. They
> can also specify that the ads are to be read live, not taped. Imus, on
> the other hand, may have a clause in his contract that says he doesn't
> have to read anything verbatim. If that's the case, then either the
> radio ad salesman didn't tell Flattie about it, (that means the station
> is at fault) or Flattie knew about it and went through with the buy
> anyway (in which case he's got no case at all.)


Thank you. One of the most fascinating things about UseNet is that so many
people with so many experiences read the posts that there is almost always
someone who has something sensible to say on a subject.


Francis A. Miniter
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On Feb 5, 7:44 pm, "Francis A. Miniter" <mini....TakeThisOut@attglobalZZ.net>
wrote:
> Willow Arune wrote:
> > Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
> > impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>
> > So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations.  I find
> > flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit of
> > whimsy they feel like and many do.
>
> > As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone is
> > paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
> > that commercial in a positive manner.  From what has been written, I think
> > Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser.  He simply failed
> > in his duty to his customer.  That speaks of an ego bigger than a barn..  He
> > should be held accountable.
>
> > Willow
>
> Imus is a loud, irritating radio personality who should have stuck to photography.

That was my point before a certain ignorant
clod started flailing his wet-noodle flames at me.
If I had a book to peddle which was introduced
by a former president, Imus is the LAST person
I would pay to advertise. Sorry if I have offended
anyone with that "radical" notion. On the other
hand, if I were selling, "The Life and Times of
Bozo the Clown" Imus might be okay. Sadly,
tv is such a large part of certain posters'
lives that they have lost all perspective. If
Imus or Oprah, etc. say something is good,
then it must be good, at least to these
eroded-lobe dimwits. Thay have been
sucking that tv screen almost since
they were born. Their frontal lobes are
like swiss cheese, not necessarily in a
literal sense, but in the sense that they
have so much rubbish flowing in and out
of their minds they lack cognitive structures
in the traditional sense of the word. This
is supposed to be a newsgroup about
book collecting, so it would be nice if the
tv droids would migrate to some more
appropriate newsgroup. Turn off the tv
once in a while. Read a book.

[Memo from the upstairs office.]
>
> Francis A. Miniter- Hide quoted text -
>
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On Feb 5, 2:22 pm, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
> "Willow Arune" <panga... DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Th3qj.5800$cc3.2786@edtnps82...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would be
> > impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>
> > So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations.  I find
> > flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add whatever bit of
> > whimsy they feel like and many do.
>
> > As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if someone
> > is
> > paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor a duty to present
> > that commercial in a positive manner.  From what has been written, I think
> > Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked the advertiser.  He simply
> > failed
> > in his duty to his customer.  That speaks of an ego bigger than a barn..
> > He
> > should be held accountable.
>
> > Willow
>
> Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
> he's going to get.
>
> Flatsigned has got *more* publicity by hiring Imus to slam his
> outdated book and then suing, than if he'd used a more
> legitimate advertiser.
>
> Kris- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It is NOT true that any advertising is good advertising. I was
selling thousands of dollars in the new Ford book each day until
Imus. After Imus I sold two copies in five months. The recent
"advertising" as you call it has resulted in almost zero sales. You
do not understand what you are speaking of here.
Best,
TIm Miller
"Flatty" Himself
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