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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:07 am
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On Feb 5, 10:15 pm, Barbara Bailey <rabrab... RemoveThis @yayhu.comm> wrote:
> "Francis A. Miniter" <mini... RemoveThis @attglobalZZ.net> wrote innews:47a92e48@kcnews01:
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> > Kris Baker wrote:
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> >> "Willow Arune" <panga... RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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> >>> Being way up north, it is difficult to get books signed and it would
> >>> be impossible to send the books out due to costs.
>
> >>> So I always send out bookplates, recognizing the limitations.  I
> >>> find flat-signing boring and thus always ask the writers to add
> >>> whatever bit of whimsy they feel like and many do.
>
> >>> As to Imus, having never heard his program I can only say that if
> >>> someone is  paid to give a commercial message, they owe the sponsor
> >>> a duty to present that commercial in a positive manner.  From what
> >>> has been written, I think Imus failed to do that - indeed, he mocked
> >>> the advertiser.  He simply failed in his duty to his customer.  That
> >>> speaks of an ego bigger than a barn. He should be held accountable.
>
> >>> Willow
>
> >> Any advertiser who picks Imus to push his product, knows what
> >> he's going to get.
>
> > What confuses me is that contracts for advertising are usually with
> > radio stations or radio networks.  Contracts for endorsements are with
> > personalities.
> >   This sounds more like an advertising contract with the radio
> >   station/network,
> > and Imus flipped it.  If it were a contract of endorsement, one would
> > not expect an outright, on-air breach that gets taped for later use in
> > a trial.
>
> > Francis A. Miniter
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> From my experience in radio (on-air and in the office) if an advertiser
> wants to specify that one particular air personality does their ads,
> they get to. They may have to pay a premium for someone with the "star
> power" of an Imus or Howard Stern, but the advertiser can certainly make
> it a condition of the purchase if they're willing to pay for it. They
> can also specify that the ads are to be read live, not taped. Imus, on
> the other hand, may have a clause in his contract that says he doesn't
> have to read anything verbatim. If that's the case, then either the
> radio ad salesman didn't tell Flattie about it, (that means the station
> is at fault) or Flattie knew about it and went through with the buy
> anyway (in which case he's got no case at all.)- Hide quoted text -
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We worked on many drafts, back and forth, until both sides agreed on
what the exact script would be and Imus was comfortable with according
to his people. Then he went off script, was reprimanded after the
first day, said he would do better, got worse the second day and went
off script again, was reprimanded a second time and then on the third
day, again went off script. This after we had agreed on an exact
wording of an approved script for which I paid thousands of dollars
for. Imus' people and Imus himself tells the world that he has great
influence in the book-world. That is why I paid thousands to have the
spots read on his show. I paid less for a lesser name a couple of
weeks prior and sold tens of thousands of dollars in product. After
Imus I got triple the website hits but almost zero sales; not zero
additional sales but my entire sales went almost to zero. Imus does/
did have great impact and he cost me millions.
Best,
Tim Miler
"Flatty"

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:47 am
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On Feb 7, 3:07 am, flatsig... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>  Imus does/
> did have great impact and he cost me millions.

It's all well and good to come here and blow off steam and bullshit
about your "millions" in lost sales (hah!) but when and IF your case
ever makes it to court, you are going to have to prove your alleged
loss. And no, your word is not good enough.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:40 pm
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<flatsigned DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It is NOT true that any advertising is good advertising. I was
> selling thousands of dollars in the new Ford book each day until
> Imus. After Imus I sold two copies in five months. The recent
< "advertising" as you call it has resulted in almost zero sales.

So you were selling thousand of dollars a day in Gerald Ford books.
"Thousands" is let's say two plus thousand conservatively, that's about 10K
a week. The books were priced at < $500 (leaving aside the limited edition
of 50) so that means you were selling about 5 copies a day, 25 copies a
week, 100 copies a month. I had no idea that Ford was so popular! Leaving
that aside however, one wonders why someone who was going to be completely
sold out of product of limited quantity (< 3000 were produced) in less than
two years and stood to make a profit of about $1.5 million would feel the
need to advertise at all.

So anyway, without advertising you were sellling over half a million dollars
worth of Ford books annually. The book was going like hotcakes. And then
Imus made fun of you, and that enormous demand totally evaporated.

Despite how mind bogglingly hard to believe that is, and despite what a bone
headed business decision you seem to have made, there's a silver lining,
because according to your website you don't care about the sales at all:

"The issue here isn't a lawsuit. The real issue is that Don Imus
disrespected a former president of the United States . . .. The fact is that
Imus slammed president Ford's legacy."

Hopefully your suit will force Imus to apologize to poor dead Gerald Ford.
I'm sure that's all you're after anyway.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:14 pm
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On Feb 8, 3:28 pm, "foad" <o....RemoveThis@ooo.com> wrote:
> "Bill" <palmer.will....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

On the contrary, I am totally serious, Fundoc.
I do have to marvel at the way you could prove
stupid enough to convince yourself that -- after
all the painful spankings you have received in
the past -- merely adapting another phony
name and attacking me anew would produce
anything other than the same result. Once
a spankard always a spankard, Fundoc. No,
I did not know who I was addressing in those
earlier posts on this thread, but I sure knew
WHAT I was addressing, didn't I?

Anyway, I stand by the offer of the carton of
rare books. You obviously have not had much
in life, Fundoc. Actually having in your possession
some beautiful old volumes might bring about the
changes in character and personality that you
need so badly. The sad thing about you, Fundoc,
is that you have not changed a bit in all these
years. When you first pestered me for
attention years ago, you were the same
shabby attention-starved misfit you are today.
You remain a flat character, like Shakespeare's
fool in Twelth Night.

On the other hand, my years of experience on
the net has helped me grow and develop.
I am not the same person I was (the
little retarded kid down the block, as some
saw me) when I fell into the net years ago.
As a result, I am determined to try and take
the high road with you, to inspire you with
wonderful books, rather than merely
toasting your toes painfully with flames over
and over as I have done so many times in
the past.

The high road has taken me to the tower room
where I am no putting together a carton of superb
volumes for you, Fundoc. I am going to try my
best to take you from being that tattered scarecrow
of snatched-from-the-worst-of-tv feeble sparks
of half-thought, a net character who is flatter
than the proverbial pancake -- and, from that
meager beginning make a fully-rounded human
being of you by inspiring you with books far
better both in content and manufacture than
any you have ever been able to possess...

[Memo from the upstairs office.]
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> news:72cd4e0a-814a-4ff4-a050-b33e94b1d2b9@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > What do YOU think,readers?
>
> You don't have any readers numbskull.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:28 pm
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"Bill" <palmer.william.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> What do YOU think,readers?

You don't have any readers numbskull.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:32 pm
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Off topic but close by...

Assuming a new bookstore started up called "Warmly Inscribed" in competition
with "Flatsigned".

Which one would you seek out for purchases?

I know that I would head to Warmly Inscribed - the small notes add character
to an otherwise bald signature. I love the inscriptions that have been
added to my books by various writers. It makes them "real". A small
glimpse into the world of the writer.

Willow
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:53 pm
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On Feb 9, 2:57 pm, "foad" <o....DeleteThis@ooo.com> wrote:
> "Bill" <palmer.will....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > You are a tought nut to crack, Fundoc, but
> > I intend to keep working on you, trying to
> > kindle that small spark of intelligent humanity
> > you sometimes manifest.
>
> I don't doubt that'd you'd like nothing more than to kindle a spark by
> working on my nuts.
>
> > By the way, even
> > your flaming "talents" would seem to have run far
> > downhill.
>
> And yours have improved. But then they'd have had to, short of a cerebral
> accident.
>
> >  For instance, <hose> as an attempt
> > to rebut the things I pointed out about you,
> > THAT'S really an original flame tactic, isn't it?
>
> I'm not flaming you dimwit. Flaming is so last century.

Spoken like the veritable spankard you are, Fundoc!.
Of course flaming is "so last century" for you.
After all, it would be very, very difficult to find
another poster in the history of the net
who has instigated so many flame wars --,
er, satirical bouts, lampoon fights,
whatever you want to call them -- by
pestering others, and who has consistently
come out the worse for it so many, many
times. Whee! But fine, Fundoc, if you
want to eschew the term "flaming" and
simply say that you have long annoyed
your betters with your feeble attempts
at lampoon and satire -- and that your delusions
of talent regarding the art of wit invariably
caused you grief and humiliation and turned
you into the newsgroup laughingstock you
remain today, fine, Who needs the term
"flaming"?


I'm just calling you
> names.

Yes, you are, Fundoc. Just calling others
names is your stock-in-trade and a
newsgroup "humorist." And of course,
mere name calling is the lowliest form of
flaming -- er -- "wit".

[Memo from the upstairs office.]
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