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 > Stuart Leichter <leichtes DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote
   >>> "Linda Scheimann" <gebhard DeleteThis @niia.net> wrote
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   >>>> Linda
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   >>>> "Revjbob" <revjbob666 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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   >>>>> after reading Desolate Angel...a bio of Kerouac by Dennis Mcnally and
   >>>>> Literary Outlaw...a bio of William S. Burroughs by Ted Morgan...I was
   >>>>> going to read a bio of Ginsberg to sort of complete the triology...can
   >>>>> anyone recommed a good one? Also...does anyone know of a good bio of
   >>>>> Cassidy?
   >>>
   >>> Kerouac himself of course did lots of bio on Neal! "Visions Of Cody",
   >>> et al. But not the later years... thanks for the link, Linda.
   >>> Will
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  >> There's the Nick Nolte/Sissy Spacek Heart Beat (1980) flick derived from
  >> Carolyn Cassady's autobiography. Not available on DVD (?) yet. Not a bad
  >> flick, just no audience for it.
 >
 > I thought Nolte made a pretty good Cody. Have you ever seen the short
 > film "Life Lessons" in the New York Stories collection? Not exactly
 > Beat, but damned close.
 > Will
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Forgotten until now. He was the painter? I only recall Woody's mother in the
sky in the other.

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I can't make out who wrote:

 > There's the Nick Nolte/Sissy Spacek Heart Beat (1980) flick derived from
 > Carolyn Cassady's autobiography. Not available on DVD (?) yet. Not a bad
 > flick, just no audience for it.

Horrendous. It took Carolyn Cassady's Heart Beat, which was simply letters
in her possession between the icons interspersed with her commentary, and
applied standard issue Hollywood staples to it. The rows of Eisenhower
housing units, the watering of the lawns, the wild rebellious Ménage a trois
in the stifling insufferable outraged setting. Neal is jealous of Kerouac.
Neal wants to run away from his family burden (he did, actually, plenty of
times, and without the agony in the film at the mere suggestion from a
comely blonde in a convertible). Neal is bored with his middleclass
trainman's gig. They are all miserable unto death.

It's bunkum entire. Ferlinghetti's comment while it was filming: "They use
this slight piece of a book to gain access to all of our lives." Ginsberg
threatened to sue if they used his name. They didn't, but used his
character and events.

Only Carolyn Cassady cooperated. She was allowed on the set. She spoke
with Sissy herself! They paid her seventy thousand. Would you have turned
it down?

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in article tNGic.8506$eZ5.7391@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Tremonius
at ulTIMum RemoveThis @earthlink.net wrote on 4/25/04 12:04 AM:

> I can't make out who wrote:

C'est moi, ici.

>
>> There's the Nick Nolte/Sissy Spacek Heart Beat (1980) flick derived from
>> Carolyn Cassady's autobiography. Not available on DVD (?) yet. Not a bad
>> flick, just no audience for it.
>
> Horrendous. It took Carolyn Cassady's Heart Beat, which was simply letters
> in her possession between the icons interspersed with her commentary, and
> applied standard issue Hollywood staples to it. The rows of Eisenhower
> housing units, the watering of the lawns, the wild rebellious Ménage a trois
> in the stifling insufferable outraged setting. Neal is jealous of Kerouac.
> Neal wants to run away from his family burden (he did, actually, plenty of
> times, and without the agony in the film at the mere suggestion from a
> comely blonde in a convertible). Neal is bored with his middleclass
> trainman's gig. They are all miserable unto death.
>
> It's bunkum entire. Ferlinghetti's comment while it was filming: "They use
> this slight piece of a book to gain access to all of our lives." Ginsberg
> threatened to sue if they used his name. They didn't, but used his
> character and events.
>
> Only Carolyn Cassady cooperated. She was allowed on the set. She spoke
> with Sissy herself! They paid her seventy thousand. Would you have turned
> it down?
>
> It was from first to last claptrap pap.
>
>
>

That's pretty much what my roomie thought too, what you say, and he knew the
literature, the pre-shooting gossip, well-informed guy, the Louisville drama
thing festival, a few of his plays performed in Chicago & LA, at least one
screenplay optioned, lotsa script doctoring, and maybe right. On the other
hand, not a bad flick at the time. Now--only now--I remember feeding a TWIX
roll into my typewriter like I saw in the movie, and some fire came out. I'd
never read the Beats except in passing.

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"Tremonius" <ulTIMum.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote

> I can't make out who wrote:
>
> > There's the Nick Nolte/Sissy Spacek Heart Beat (1980) flick derived from
> > Carolyn Cassady's autobiography. Not available on DVD (?) yet. Not a bad
> > flick, just no audience for it.
>
> Horrendous. It took Carolyn Cassady's Heart Beat, which was simply letters
> in her possession between the icons interspersed with her commentary, and
> applied standard issue Hollywood staples to it. The rows of Eisenhower
> housing units, the watering of the lawns, the wild rebellious Ménage a trois
> in the stifling insufferable outraged setting. Neal is jealous of Kerouac.
> Neal wants to run away from his family burden (he did, actually, plenty of
> times, and without the agony in the film at the mere suggestion from a
> comely blonde in a convertible). Neal is bored with his middleclass
> trainman's gig. They are all miserable unto death.
>
> It's bunkum entire. Ferlinghetti's comment while it was filming: "They use
> this slight piece of a book to gain access to all of our lives." Ginsberg
> threatened to sue if they used his name. They didn't, but used his
> character and events.

The portrayal of Ginsberg, who also refused to be involved, was pretty
insulting, as I recall.

> Only Carolyn Cassady cooperated. She was allowed on the set. She spoke
> with Sissy herself! They paid her seventy thousand. Would you have turned
> it down?
>
> It was from first to last claptrap pap.
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>
> Horrendous. It took Carolyn Cassady's Heart Beat,
> which was simply letters in her possession between
> the icons interspersed with her commentary, and
> applied standard issue Hollywood staples to it.
> The rows of Eisenhower housing units, the watering
> of the lawns, the wild rebellious Ménage a trois in the
> stifling insufferable outraged setting. Neal is jealous of
> Kerouac. <snip>
>
> Only Carolyn Cassady cooperated. She was allowed on
> the set. She spoke with Sissy herself! They paid her
> seventy thousand. Would you have turned it down?

Carolyn writes of her displeasure with the movie in "Heart Beef" (Moody
Street Irregulars 9, 1981) which also includes a photo of Carolyn with
Spacek, Nolte and Heard.

Dave
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revjbob666.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Revjbob) wrote in message news:<cc945e5f.0404131849.10ef2d61.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
 > after reading Desolate Angel...a bio of Kerouac by Dennis Mcnally and
 > Literary Outlaw...a bio of William S. Burroughs by Ted Morgan...I was
 > going to read a bio of Ginsberg to sort of complete the triology...can
 > anyone recommed a good one? Also...does anyone know of a good bio of
 > Cassidy?

Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was about Neil Cassady.
Nothing else comes to mind specifically about him, though I might
be overlooking something.

"The First Third" is autobiographical, and was published after Neal's
death. I think I have a copy of that, but I sure don't know where I put
it.

"As Ever" is a collection of letters between Neil Cassady and Allen
Ginsberg, edited by Barry Gifford, and which came out in 1977.

He must show up in "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" in his role
as the Prankster's bus driver.

There was an article in Golden Road years ago about Neil, and it was
reprinted in "Goin' Down the Road" by Blair Jackson. It's basically
a collection of articles from the magazine, which was about the Grateful
Dead, and the article appeared because of the overlap. I suspect there
must be references to Neal in other books about the Dead, but I'm too
lazy to check.

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 > revjbob666 RemoveThis @hotmail.com (Revjbob) wrote in message news:<cc945e5f.0404131849.10ef2d61 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
  > > after reading Desolate Angel...a bio of Kerouac by Dennis Mcnally and
  > > Literary Outlaw...a bio of William S. Burroughs by Ted Morgan...I was
  > > going to read a bio of Ginsberg to sort of complete the triology...can
  > > anyone recommed a good one? Also...does anyone know of a good bio of
  > > Cassidy?
 >
 > Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was about Neil Cassady.
 > Nothing else comes to mind specifically about him, though I might
 > be overlooking something.

The Shadowville State University has a copy of this, never seen one
anywhere else. Worth looking for though, for sure.

 > "The First Third" is autobiographical, and was published after Neal's
 > death. I think I have a copy of that, but I sure don't know where I put
 > it.

I noticed an expanded version of "The First Third" in a Beat bookshop
in Atlanta a year or so ago, from City Lights, but didn't buy it---
maybe next time. I noticed a pretty good chunk of extra writing was
included that wasn't in the copy I have from the 1970s, though. Good
stuff if you're interested in Cassidy, but not particularly for the
general reader, of course.

 > "As Ever" is a collection of letters between Neil Cassady and Allen
 > Ginsberg, edited by Barry Gifford, and which came out in 1977.
 >
 > He must show up in "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" in his role
 > as the Prankster's bus driver.
 >
 > There was an article in Golden Road years ago about Neil, and it was
 > reprinted in "Goin' Down the Road" by Blair Jackson. It's basically
 > a collection of articles from the magazine, which was about the Grateful
 > Dead, and the article appeared because of the overlap. I suspect there
 > must be references to Neal in other books about the Dead, but I'm too
 > lazy to check.
 >
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  > > Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was
  > > about Neil Cassady. Nothing else comes to mind
  > > specifically about him, though I might be overlooking something.
 >
 > The Shadowville State University has a copy of this, never seen one
 > anywhere else. Worth looking for though, for sure.

The Neal Cassady biography, "The Holy Goof", was republished earlier this
month, by Thunder's Mouth Press, NYC.

Dave

I'm on that! Always wanted a copy to carry around.
Will

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   > > > after reading Desolate Angel...a bio of Kerouac by Dennis Mcnally and
   > > > Literary Outlaw...a bio of William S. Burroughs by Ted Morgan...I was
   > > > going to read a bio of Ginsberg to sort of complete the triology...can
   > > > anyone recommed a good one? Also...does anyone know of a good bio of
   > > > Cassidy?
  > >
  > > Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was about Neil Cassady.
  > > Nothing else comes to mind specifically about him, though I might
  > > be overlooking something.
 >
 > The Shadowville State University has a copy of this, never seen one
 > anywhere else. Worth looking for though, for sure.
 >
  > > "The First Third" is autobiographical, and was published after Neal's
  > > death. I think I have a copy of that, but I sure don't know where I put
  > > it.
 >
 > I noticed an expanded version of "The First Third" in a Beat bookshop
 > in Atlanta a year or so ago, from City Lights, but didn't buy it---
 > maybe next time. I noticed a pretty good chunk of extra writing was
 > included that wasn't in the copy I have from the 1970s, though. Good
 > stuff if you're interested in Cassidy, but not particularly for the
 > general reader, of course.
 >
  > > "As Ever" is a collection of letters between Neil Cassady and Allen
  > > Ginsberg, edited by Barry Gifford, and which came out in 1977.
  > >
  > > He must show up in "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" in his role
  > > as the Prankster's bus driver.
  > >
  > > There was an article in Golden Road years ago about Neil, and it was
  > > reprinted in "Goin' Down the Road" by Blair Jackson. It's basically
  > > a collection of articles from the magazine, which was about the Grateful
  > > Dead, and the article appeared because of the overlap. I suspect there
  > > must be references to Neal in other books about the Dead, but I'm too
  > > lazy to check.
  > >
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   > > > after reading Desolate Angel...a bio of Kerouac by Dennis Mcnally and
   > > > Literary Outlaw...a bio of William S. Burroughs by Ted Morgan...I was
   > > > going to read a bio of Ginsberg to sort of complete the triology...can
   > > > anyone recommed a good one? Also...does anyone know of a good bio of
   > > > Cassidy?
  > >
  > > Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was about Neil Cassady.
  > > Nothing else comes to mind specifically about him, though I might
  > > be overlooking something.
 >
 > The Shadowville State University has a copy of this, never seen one
 > anywhere else. Worth looking for though, for sure.
 >
  > > "The First Third" is autobiographical, and was published after Neal's
  > > death. I think I have a copy of that, but I sure don't know where I put
  > > it.
 >
 > I noticed an expanded version of "The First Third" in a Beat bookshop
 > in Atlanta a year or so ago, from City Lights, but didn't buy it---
 > maybe next time. I noticed a pretty good chunk of extra writing was
 > included that wasn't in the copy I have from the 1970s, though. Good
 > stuff if you're interested in Cassidy, but not particularly for the
 > general reader, of course.

That expanded version was published in 1981.
Good to know that you are up-to-date, Will

Dave

###Could be why they were asking so much money for the copy I gazed
at! It hasn't been reprinted since 1981?
Will

  > > "As Ever" is a collection of letters between Neil Cassady and Allen
  > > Ginsberg, edited by Barry Gifford, and which came out in 1977.
  > >
  > > He must show up in "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" in his role
  > > as the Prankster's bus driver.
  > >
  > > There was an article in Golden Road years ago about Neil, and it was
  > > reprinted in "Goin' Down the Road" by Blair Jackson. It's basically
  > > a collection of articles from the magazine, which was about the Grateful
  > > Dead, and the article appeared because of the overlap. I suspect there
  > > must be references to Neal in other books about the Dead, but I'm too
  > > lazy to check.
  > >
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  > > Who knows if they are in print, but "Holy Goof" was
  > > about Neil Cassady. Nothing else comes to mind
  > > specifically about him, though I might be overlooking something.
 >
 > The Shadowville State University has a copy of this, never seen one
 > anywhere else. Worth looking for though, for sure.

The Neal Cassady biography, "The Holy Goof", was republished earlier this
month, by Thunder's Mouth Press, NYC.

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"Will Dockery" <will_dockery RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > I noticed an expanded version of "The First Third" in a
 > Beat bookshop in Atlanta a year or so ago, from City
 > Lights, but didn't buy it--- maybe next time. I noticed
 > a pretty good chunk of extra writing was included that
 > wasn't in the copy I have from the 1970s, though. Good
 > stuff if you're interested in Cassidy, but not particularly for the
 > general reader, of course.

That expanded version was published in 1981.

Good to know that you are up-to-date, Will

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"Will Dockery" <will_dockery RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > > I noticed an expanded version of "The First Third" in a Beat bookshop
  > > in Atlanta a year or so ago, from City Lights, but didn't buy it---
  > > maybe next time. I noticed a pretty good chunk of extra writing was
  > > included that wasn't in the copy I have from the 1970s, though. Good
  > > stuff if you're interested in Cassidy, but not particularly for the
  > > general reader, of course.
 >
 > That expanded version was published in 1981.
 > Good to know that you are up-to-date, Will
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > ###Could be why they were asking so much money for
 > the copy I gazed at! It hasn't been reprinted since 1981?
 > Will

No, Will, it has been in print continually since 1981 ...

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