Need a good name for a lion

his name when I tamed him was Humar the Pridelord. So its a he.

I thought of "Regulus" cause its a star in the Leo constalation (from
what I understand) Ya know, night = black and leo = lion.

I was looking something that a rare person would see and go "aha, I
know what that is." Like I had a Wolf named Rufferto in the same game.
Rufferto is the name of Groo's dog in the comic book by sergio
aragones called Groo the wanderer. If you havne't read it thats funny
stuff. Somethign that makes some form of sense i.e. something to do
with "lion" or "black". I guess even "king" would do. I am drawing a
total blank. I thought maybe soemthign to do with Beorn his he seemed
to be all about wildlife. Like I said i am drawing a total blank.
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yeah well, since I'm talking about a black lion the first named animal
that came to mind was "SHADOW"fax. Even though he is a horse and
white.
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lastexit99 wrote:

> I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
> interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax was
> one name that came to me. However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to
> obvious.

Obvious?? Shadowfax was _white_ and a horse. Not much obvious about
that

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lastexit99 wrote:
> I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
> interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax was
> one name that came to me. However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to
> obvious. Having thought about it for a while I can't really come up
> with anything. Of course its been a while since I've read the books.
> ANyone got any suggestion???
>

The only "cat" reference that comes to mind off hand is Beruthiel (the
queen with the cats), but that doesn't really sound very good. The
derivation of "more-rav" is very good, but it may not click with a lot
of people. Smaug is described as sounding like a huge tom cat purring,
but then pretty everybody knows he was a dragon, and orange with a
jeweled waist-coat, too.

How about Ancalagon: a dragon, too, but he was huge and he was black, I
believe. The name derives from the Sindarin "anca" (jaws) and "alak"
(rushing). All perfectly appropriate for a Black Lion. The name
"Ancalagon" is fairly well recognized by anyone who has read /The
Silmarillion/ and I think Gandalf mentions him once in /The Lord of the
Rings/ (when Frodo asks if the Ring could be destroyed).

Barb

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On 26 Sep 2005 09:49:14 -0700, "lastexit99" <lastexit99 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
>interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax was
>one name that came to me. However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to
>obvious. Having thought about it for a while I can't really come up
>with anything. Of course its been a while since I've read the books.
>ANyone got any suggestion???

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Derek Broughton <news RemoveThis @pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> lastexit99 wrote:
>
>> I need a name for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
>> interested in using a Middle-earth reference. Of course Shadowfax
>> was one name that came to me. However I think that Shadowfax is a
>> bit too obvious.
>
> Obvious?? Shadowfax was _white_ and a horse. Not much obvious about
> that

Shadowfax was white? Not much obvious about that:

"By day his coat glistens like silver; and by night it is like a shade,
and he passes unseen."

Oh. Silly me. He was white in the film. That's OK, then...
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Quoth "lastexit99" <lastexit99.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> in article
<1127753354.661415.291380.RemoveThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
> I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
> interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax
> was one name that came to me.

And its meaning fits reasonably well, too: "shadow" is obvious, and as
I recall "fax" is an obsolete word for "mane". (Hmm... the OED says
that "fax" meant "the hair of the head", which is reasonably close to
"mane", I guess.) Now, Shadowfax was grey, not black, but "shadow"
can have a broad range of meanings.

On the other hand...

> However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to obvious.

I have to agree here. Not only is it a *very* well-known name, but I
think that the horse connection is extremely strong. People seeing a
lion called "Shadowfax" who recognize the name won't say, "Hey, a
Tolkien reference!" They'll say, "Huh? Shadowfax was a horse! What
an idiot."

If I were in your shoes, I'd try to do something based on the Elvish
root "Mor-", meaning "black" (more specifically, that's from the
Sindarin language). That's probably one of the better known bits of
Elvish, as it appears in names like "Mordor" = "Black Land", "Morgoth"
= "Black Enemy", and "Moria" = "Black Pit".

The earlier suggestion to pair that with the Elvish word for "lion"
isn't bad, but *very* few Tolkien fans would recognize the "lion" part
(which might make them overlook the Tolkien reference altogether).
Now, super-subtle Tolkien references can be pretty cool: I was in awe
when I realized that the name of the dragon "Morkeleb" in Barbara
Hambly's excellent book /Dragonsbane/ is Sindarin for "Black silver"
(which is actually a pretty vivid description of him). But if you
want the name to be recognizable to more than a handful of Tolkien
linguists around the world, you'll want an actual name from Tolkien's
books.

With that in mind, how about "Mormegil" = "Black Sword", the name that
Turin used while he lived in Nargothrond? (That's from /The
Silmarillion/, in case you're curious; I don't know how much
Middle-earth experience you have.) I know that "Sword" doesn't quite
fit with a lion, but you could claim that it refers to his claws or
his temperament or something. And it was a pseudonym to begin
with, so people probably won't find its use for a lion as jarring as
"Shadowfax" would be.

So that's my suggestion: "Mormegil". Anyone have a reason that it's
*not* good?
Steuard Jensen
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Belba Grubb From Stock <barbb.TakeThisOut@dbtech.net> wrote:
> lastexit99 wrote:
>> I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
>> interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax was
>> one name that came to me. However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to
>> obvious. Having thought about it for a while I can't really come up
>> with anything. Of course its been a while since I've read the books.
>> ANyone got any suggestion???
>>

> The only "cat" reference that comes to mind off hand is Beruthiel (the
> queen with the cats), but that doesn't really sound very good. The
> derivation of "more-rav" is very good, but it may not click with a lot
> of people. Smaug is described as sounding like a huge tom cat purring,
> but then pretty everybody knows he was a dragon, and orange with a
> jeweled waist-coat, too.

Lets not forget Umuiyan, Oikeroi, Miaule, and Tevildo
aka Tibert Bridhon Miaugion.

Stephen
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Steuard Jensen wrote:
>
> Quoth "lastexit99" <lastexit99.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> in article
> <1127753354.661415.291380.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
> > I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
> > interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax
> > was one name that came to me.
>
<snip>
>
> If I were in your shoes, I'd try to do something based on the Elvish
> root "Mor-", meaning "black" (more specifically, that's from the
> Sindarin language). That's probably one of the better known bits of
> Elvish, as it appears in names like "Mordor" = "Black Land", "Morgoth"
> = "Black Enemy", and "Moria" = "Black Pit".

How about "Morfindel" -- cf. Glorfindel -- which I think could be
translated as "Blackmane"?

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Odysseus wrote:
> Steuard Jensen wrote:
> >
> > Quoth "lastexit99" <lastexit99.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> in article
> > <1127753354.661415.291380.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
> > > I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
> > > interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax
> > > was one name that came to me.
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > If I were in your shoes, I'd try to do something based on the Elvish
> > root "Mor-", meaning "black" (more specifically, that's from the
> > Sindarin language). That's probably one of the better known bits of
> > Elvish, as it appears in names like "Mordor" = "Black Land", "Morgoth"
> > = "Black Enemy", and "Moria" = "Black Pit".
>
> How about "Morfindel" -- cf. Glorfindel -- which I think could be
> translated as "Blackmane"?
>


This reminded me of the translation of Finarfin's son's name - Aegnor,
which means "fell fire". Apparently this was his epesse becuase his
hair stood out from his head or some such when in battle (scary image
of a Noldorin warrior looking like a sunflower, defending the slopes of
Dorthonion).

A lion's main could be considered something similar, so you could
prehaps think about "Moraegnor/Moregnor".

Neil Anderson
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In article <1127753354.661415.291380 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
lastexit99 <lastexit99 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
>interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax was
>one name that came to me. However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to
>obvious. Having thought about it for a while I can't really come up
>with anything. Of course its been a while since I've read the books.
>ANyone got any suggestion???
>

If you are planning to publish the game, consult the publishers'
lawyers to make sure that the name you select will not run afoul
of the Tolkien Estate's copyright and trademark lawyers. "Shadowfax"
(which sounds to me more like a copying machine than a lion anyway)
would almost certainly fail to pass legal muster.

Sad, but an ounce of prevention...
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Steuard Jensen wrote:

> Quoth "lastexit99" <lastexit99.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> in article
> <1127753354.661415.291380.TakeThisOut@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
>> I need to name a for a Black Lion (for a computer game). I am
>> interested in using a Middle Earth reference. Of course shadowfax
>> was one name that came to me.
>
> And its meaning fits reasonably well, too: "shadow" is obvious, and as
> I recall "fax" is an obsolete word for "mane". (Hmm... the OED says
> that "fax" meant "the hair of the head", which is reasonably close to
> "mane", I guess.) Now, Shadowfax was grey, not black, but "shadow"
> can have a broad range of meanings.
>
> On the other hand...
>
>> However I think that Shodawfax is a bit to obvious.
>
> I have to agree here. Not only is it a *very* well-known name, but I
> think that the horse connection is extremely strong. People seeing a
> lion called "Shadowfax" who recognize the name won't say, "Hey, a
> Tolkien reference!" They'll say, "Huh? Shadowfax was a horse! What
> an idiot."
>
> If I were in your shoes, I'd try to do something based on the Elvish
> root "Mor-", meaning "black" (more specifically, that's from the
> Sindarin language). That's probably one of the better known bits of
> Elvish, as it appears in names like "Mordor" = "Black Land", "Morgoth"
> = "Black Enemy", and "Moria" = "Black Pit".

What was the word, will it ever come to me - Black Hare?

More facetiously, "fin" is the Ngoldorin for "hair". I suppose, since "mor"
seems to be "black" in both Sindarin and Ngoldorin, you could call the lion
Morfin.
>
> The earlier suggestion to pair that with the Elvish word for "lion"
> isn't bad, but *very* few Tolkien fans would recognize the "lion" part
> (which might make them overlook the Tolkien reference altogether).
> Now, super-subtle Tolkien references can be pretty cool: I was in awe
> when I realized that the name of the dragon "Morkeleb" in Barbara
> Hambly's excellent book /Dragonsbane/ is Sindarin for "Black silver"
> (which is actually a pretty vivid description of him). But if you
> want the name to be recognizable to more than a handful of Tolkien
> linguists around the world, you'll want an actual name from Tolkien's
> books.
>
> With that in mind, how about "Mormegil" = "Black Sword", the name that
> Turin used while he lived in Nargothrond? (That's from /The
> Silmarillion/, in case you're curious; I don't know how much
> Middle-earth experience you have.) I know that "Sword" doesn't quite
> fit with a lion, but you could claim that it refers to his claws or
> his temperament or something. And it was a pseudonym to begin
> with, so people probably won't find its use for a lion as jarring as
> "Shadowfax" would be.
>
> So that's my suggestion: "Mormegil". Anyone have a reason that it's
> *not* good?

Mormegil? Still doesn't fit. You don't compare Lions to Swords - if
anything, you compare Swords to Lions.

"Carcaroth"? What part of that is "Red" and what part is "Maw" or "Fangs"?
> Steuard Jensen

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Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish.DeleteThis@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

<snip>

> Mormegil? Still doesn't fit. You don't compare Lions to Swords - if
> anything, you compare Swords to Lions.

So you turn to wolves instead?

> "Carcaroth"? What part of that is "Red" and what part is "Maw" or
> "Fangs"?

'carca' is Quenya for 'fang'.
'carch' is Sindarin form.

cf. Carchost ('Fang Fort'); Carach Angren ('Iron Jaws'); and Helcaraxe
('Grinding Ice'). Carcharoth is 'Red Maw', and was also called Anfauglir
('Jaws of Thirst').

All glossed from the entries in 'The Silmarillion'.

Christopher

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