grassroots Lewis condordance online?

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:43:43 GMT, "Dan Drake" <dd DeleteThis @dandrake.com> wrote:

 >What the estate would think of it, I don't know. But it would be awfully
 >hard to make a case that it goes anywhere near infringing on copyright.
 >
 >Now -- lacking an electronic edition -- where do we find the team of monks
 >to put this together by hand?

Actually, there was a man (I forget his name) who used to post on
MereLewis who had already constructed a complete concordance- by
subject and phrase, I believe- for his own private use, of course. He
wrote that the estate had completely nixed the idea of publishing such
a thing. Not that CSL Co. gives a hoot what I think, but it is
aggravating to no end not to have such a great reference tool for the
writings of CSL.

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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:43:43 GMT, "Dan Drake" <dd DeleteThis @dandrake.com> wrote:

 >On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:23:23 UTC, m DeleteThis @mooreeffoc.com wrote:
/snip/
  >> Natural Law, consistent, MC Chapter 1
  >> Natural Law, axiomatic, AoM throughout
  >> Natural Law, difficulty for Naturalism, Miracles Chapter V
 >
 >What the estate would think of it, I don't know. But it would be awfully
 >hard to make a case that it goes anywhere near infringing on copyright.
 >
 >Now -- lacking an electronic edition -- where do we find the team of monks
 >to put this together by hand?


I really don't have time....

But a start could be made on the subjects that come up the most, by the
people interested in them. For example I could make that kind of list
about Natural Law and send it in text form to ... Kerry??? or someone,
and she could take it and other lists by other people and put them all
in one file and run a Sort function. Word 2000 does it.

The result would be heavy on the most controversial subjects, which is
what people need to cite most often, which is fine....

There's also a sort of Obler's Paradox -- what was the spelling? Search
enough, and everything Lewis ever said is probably on the web somewhere
in some small legally quoted masthead.... Hm, if everybody who puts up
such quotes inserted the same key word...


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:26:05 -0400, AJA <ahnemann DeleteThis @microdsi.net> wrote:

 >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:43:43 GMT, "Dan Drake" <dd DeleteThis @dandrake.com> wrote:
 >
  >>What the estate would think of it, I don't know. But it would be awfully
  >>hard to make a case that it goes anywhere near infringing on copyright.
  >>
  >>Now -- lacking an electronic edition -- where do we find the team of monks
  >>to put this together by hand?
 >
 >Actually, there was a man (I forget his name) who used to post on
 >MereLewis who had already constructed a complete concordance- by
 >subject and phrase, I believe- for his own private use, of course. He
 >wrote that the estate had completely nixed the idea of publishing such
 >a thing. Not that CSL Co. gives a hoot what I think, but it is
 >aggravating to no end not to have such a great reference tool for the
 >writings of CSL.


I thought the MereLewis person had digitized the whole books for his own
use, and was just searching the whole text, rather than having made a
condordance.

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:37 GMT, m.RemoveThis@mooreeffoc.com wrote:


 >I thought the MereLewis person had digitized the whole books for his own
 >use, and was just searching the whole text, rather than having made a
 >condordance.
 >
 >Mary

That may be the case. I don't remember the particulars. Would that
be possible to digitize all the books and come up with a specific
reference? At any rate, he came up with some spot on quotes and
citations.
I would hope someone would come up with something for general use.
Or wait to 2038, is it?

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Let's see...
1. the Lewis estate allows his works to be published and sold in book form..
2. many of the Lewis books are sold as audio tape or audio CD, read by
someone, so that's allowed.
3. there are many works now available for sale as downloadable e-books, or
via CDROM -- many of these are coded so as to prevent printing: for example,
I can download most of the Sherlock Holmes stories, and lot's of Hemingway,
available for sale on Amazon.
4. presumably the estate has two goals: 1) make money 2) protect the canon.
5. I would think that an electronic version of Lewis' works would net add to
the estate after possibly reducing sales in book form.
6. The canon can be protected by software, as seems to be done elsewhere.
7. Sheesh, I have a CDROM with 24 versions of the Bible, but I doubt that
paper Bible sales have gone down.
So, CSL Estate: what's not to like about publishing electronic versions of
his works?
John

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 > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:49:37 GMT, m.RemoveThis@mooreeffoc.com wrote:
 >
 >
  > >I thought the MereLewis person had digitized the whole books for his own
  > >use, and was just searching the whole text, rather than having made a
  > >condordance.
  > >
  > >Mary
 >
 > That may be the case. I don't remember the particulars. Would that
 > be possible to digitize all the books and come up with a specific
 > reference? At any rate, he came up with some spot on quotes and
 > citations.
 > I would hope someone would come up with something for general use.
 > Or wait to 2038, is it?
 >
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:17:44 UTC, AJA <ahnemann.DeleteThis@microdsi.net> wrote:

 > ... Would that
 > be possible to digitize all the books and come up with a specific
 > reference? At any rate, he came up with some spot on quotes and
 > citations.

You doubtless have the right to digitize the works _for your own use_
under the Fair Use principle. The copyright notice in recent editions
probably denies this; but it's lying; but if the estate decided to get
nasty, could you afford to fight it out? Knowing that litigation has
unpredictable results regardless of the rights of the case?

Now we know why Harry Truman wanted to fill the State Department with
one-armed war veterans who would never say "On the other hand--"

I Am Not A Lawyer, but I extrapolate my answer from what I got when I paid
a really good one for answers to some similar questions.

Having made your digital version of the works, let anybody else have it,
and you're toast.

 > I would hope someone would come up with something for general use.
 > Or wait to 2038, is it?

<sigh> Or Doomsday, whichever comes second. When C. S. Lewis goes into
the public domain, so does Mickey Mouse. Holding your breath till 2038
arrives without the copyright period being further extended may be
hazardous to your health.


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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:38:47 GMT, "Dan Drake" <dd.RemoveThis@dandrake.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:17:44 UTC, AJA <ahnemann.RemoveThis@microdsi.net> wrote:
snip/

>> I would hope someone would come up with something for general use.
>> Or wait to 2038, is it?
>
><sigh> Or Doomsday, whichever comes second. When C. S. Lewis goes into
>the public domain, so does Mickey Mouse. Holding your breath till 2038
>arrives without the copyright period being further extended may be
>hazardous to your health.


Yes. Of course what I was suggesting for a concordance project would not
require digitizing any books at all. Just typing in a few key words,
titles, and page numbers into text files -- by millions of Lewis
fans.

There ought to be some kind of web page thingy that would automatically
append anything the viewer added, as to a guestbook or those things
where you can automatically add your url. That would get each day's
additions into a single file. Need to start with separate files for each
letter of the alphabet I suppose. Then I suppose the page maintainer
would have to copy that out to a word processor and run a Sort
Alphabetical and then make it html again for people to consult.

Hm, there's also a sort of database thing going around where you submit
your info in spreadsheet format, divided by commas or tabs or something,
and then it gets integrated and becomes searchable rather
automaticallly. Froogle was doing this.


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In message <bfmc7c$1s3$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net>, Hi Ho Silver
<24601@hidden.?.invalid> writes
 >So, CSL Estate: what's not to like about publishing electronic versions of
 >his works?
 >John

I think what usually happens in these situations is that a copyright
holder says "If anyone is going to publish a concordance, it will be us;
and we will stomp on anyone else who tries. But, er, we haven't got
around to it yet."
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