On Wed, 26 May 2004 21:07:24 +0200, "Gieljan de Vries"
<gieljanBZZdeBZZvries.DeleteThis@planet.nl> wrote:
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>"Mark Landin" <mark.landin.DeleteThis@tdwilliamson.com> wrote in message
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>> In Pak vs. Puppeteers fight, my money is on the Pak.
>>
>> Could the Puppeteers prevent the PakRoy from exterminating the Kzinti?
>
>Easy. Make a number 1 hulls drop out of hyperspace a few hundred miles
>before the Pak armada as it's coursing through interstellar space to it's
>target. The hulls impact before anyone has a time to react. (the Puppeteers
>would have to hit mid-travel, when the velocity approaches c.) A millisecond
>after the light from the probe arrives at the speeding ramjets, the hull
>hits the ramjet. Kaboom.
>
>> And then the Puppeteers?
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>See above.
>
>Of course, if a few Pak get to witness the slaughter from a safe distance
>and manage to escape with their lives, all bets are off. Can they develop
>hyperdrive-tech? Stasis-fields? Puppeteers have a huge technological
>advantage and tend to work together as a herd. Pak are inventive and vicious
>but essentially, every clan is always looking for the right moment to stab
>his competition in the back. It'd be a hell of a spectacle, that's for
>sure...
Agreed: a Pak's strength is his intellect: give a Pak a problem, and
there's only one right answer, meaning all Pak would come up with the
same answer, given the same problem. Makes planning meetings really
short. :)Their ability to do long-range planning is also impressive,
and, like Puppeteers, are not afraid to engage in "big" projects.
Building the Ringworld is an impressive feat! Their weakness is their
inability to work together, although one assumes that it took more
then just a couple of Pak to build the Ring.
Louis Wu also implies that the Puppeteers would consider the Pak a
serious threat ... he withholds that information from Nessus (or was
it the Hindmost?) to prevent a catatonic fear reaction from their
captor.
I'm not sure how much of a tech advantage the Puppeteers have. The Pak
did build the Ringworld, after all. One could also assume that
whatever technology the Pak were unable to develop could be purchased
/ stolen from the Outsiders, except for proprietary Puppetter
technology. (Did the Outsiders sell the secret of GP hulls to the
puppeteers?)
Further, it probably wouldn't take a Pak long to find the weakness in
a GP hull that the puppeteers didn't anticipate: gravity. And there's
always anti-matter.
>A much more interesting fight would, of course, be the Pak vs. the
>Xenomorphs. Or Puppeteers vs. Xenomorphs. Pak vs. the Borg?
Again, the Pak present an interesting opponent because they are
protrayed as more "intelligent" than any of those species.
The Xenomorphs seems quite tough and reproduce (and GROW!) very
rapidly ... but then again, caseless explosive-tipped light armor
peircing shells seemed to go through their bodies effectively.

They
seemingly have no 'tech' ... just brute strength. Pak vs Xenos would
seem to be just a "bug hunt".
The Borg .. hard to guage that. They are tech pirates. They coordinate
very well. But their cyber-security is pretty weak...
I think Pak/Puppeteer would have plenty of fireworks for the
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