Why havent the Pak killed the Kzinti?

"ANIM8Rfsk" <anim8rfsk.TakeThisOut@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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 > << From: "Allen W. McDonnell" tanada.TakeThisOut@provide.net >>
 >
 >
 > << We know from The borderland of Sol that when a hyperdrive motor
disappears
 > the ship falls into normal space, why wouldn't the #1 hulls do the same
 > thing?. >>
 >
 > Hmm. That motor took off at a higher speed factor, didn't it? I wonder
why it
 > didn't take the ship with it . . .
 >
 > << When the
 > Pak ships pass through the projected volume a day later the Puppeteer sand
 > haulers are long gone, all the Pak ever see is a sudden dust cloud that
 > overwhelms their them with high energy impacts. >>
 >
 > The problem there is, if they don't have a defense against that sort of
thing,
 > I'm hard pressed to see them travelling 30,000 light years in the first
place.

Well, they don't have a defense against a few tons of radon gas, as
evidenced in Protector. Quick variations in the ramjet's flow of hydrogen
are disruptive enough to blow the ship apart. Brennan uses this against the
Pak scouts.

Also (I've been away a few days, and replying here seems like the logical
place), I was thinking about deploying "stuff" in realspace from the get-go.
The first idea (self-deploying #1-hulls) proved impossible, so I modified
the idea to a #2 laying down a field of "stuff" (the #1's, or sand, or
whatever) as an alternative. The idea was that the #2 jumps to a spot mere
light-minutes before the Pak fleet, drops its cargo, and jumps away. Info
about the "cargo" being there reaches the scouts at roughly the same time
that the cargo itself does - boom goes the ramjet.

B-bye,
Gieljan<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I'm thinking there's a flaw in your plan...

Pak finding this lot would probably be up for a new revision of technology.
They might fear somebody who could organise a rosette or move a sun, but
generally, I think they would nail their tech first, subvert it, and well...
bye bye puppetteer.

A pak now meeting the puppeteers would probably be about using FTL in its
game plan.

J



"Gieljan de Vries" <gieljanBZZdeBZZvries.TakeThisOut@planet.nl> wrote in message
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 > "ANIM8Rfsk" <anim8rfsk.TakeThisOut@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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  > > << From: "Allen W. McDonnell" tanada.TakeThisOut@provide.net >>
  > >
  > >
  > > << We know from The borderland of Sol that when a hyperdrive motor
 > disappears
  > > the ship falls into normal space, why wouldn't the #1 hulls do the same
  > > thing?. >>
  > >
  > > Hmm. That motor took off at a higher speed factor, didn't it? I wonder
 > why it
  > > didn't take the ship with it . . .
  > >
  > > << When the
  > > Pak ships pass through the projected volume a day later the Puppeteer
sand
  > > haulers are long gone, all the Pak ever see is a sudden dust cloud that
  > > overwhelms their them with high energy impacts. >>
  > >
  > > The problem there is, if they don't have a defense against that sort of
 > thing,
  > > I'm hard pressed to see them travelling 30,000 light years in the first
 > place.
 >
 > Well, they don't have a defense against a few tons of radon gas, as
 > evidenced in Protector. Quick variations in the ramjet's flow of hydrogen
 > are disruptive enough to blow the ship apart. Brennan uses this against
the
 > Pak scouts.
 >
 > Also (I've been away a few days, and replying here seems like the logical
 > place), I was thinking about deploying "stuff" in realspace from the
get-go.
 > The first idea (self-deploying #1-hulls) proved impossible, so I modified
 > the idea to a #2 laying down a field of "stuff" (the #1's, or sand, or
 > whatever) as an alternative. The idea was that the #2 jumps to a spot mere
 > light-minutes before the Pak fleet, drops its cargo, and jumps away. Info
 > about the "cargo" being there reaches the scouts at roughly the same time
 > that the cargo itself does - boom goes the ramjet.
 >
 > B-bye,
 > Gieljan
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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<< From: "Justin Semmel" justins.TakeThisOut@alphalink.com.au >>


<< A pak now meeting the puppeteers would probably be about using FTL in its
game plan. >>

I've only seen that preview of chapter one of Ringworld's Children, but it
looks like he's ahead of you.
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <anim8rfsk RemoveThis @aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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 >
 > I've only seen that preview of chapter one of Ringworld's Children,
but it
 > looks like he's ahead of you.

Or The Man Himself reads the group <g>.

Have a great day!

Ernest
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Mark Landin <mark.landin.RemoveThis@tdwilliamson.com> wrote in message news:<8bk6b01u4b2b0op5vdh26cmqhqrsddpnjm.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...


 > In Pak vs. Puppeteers fight, my money is on the Pak.


Iffy. In a (human) Protector v Puppeteer fight my money's on the
Protectors. In fact, I've always thought that the true motivation for
the Puppeteer exodus was their discovery of Protectors.


 > Could the Puppeteers prevent the PakRoy from exterminating the Kzinti?
 >
 > And then the Puppeteers?


Probably not. I suspect the Protectors haven't exterminated the
Kzinti just for humanity to have a sparring partner to toughen them
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I'd go with the Outsiders making RW far before the Pak. First off,
you'd need their reactionless drive system to spin it up.
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:16:17 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
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 >
 >
 >I'd go with the Outsiders making RW far before the Pak. First off,
 >you'd need their reactionless drive system to spin it up.

Why couldn't you spin it up with the attitude jets?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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<< From: Mark Landin mark.landin RemoveThis @tdwilliamson.com >>


<< Why couldn't you spin it up with the attitude jets? >>

The attitude jets are at right angles to the direction of spin . . .
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On 17 Jun 2004 15:45:08 GMT, anim8rfsk.TakeThisOut@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk)
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 ><< From: Mark Landin mark.landin.TakeThisOut@tdwilliamson.com >>
 >
 >
 ><< Why couldn't you spin it up with the attitude jets? >>
 >
 >The attitude jets are at right angles to the direction of spin . . .

Careful!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <k6n3d0trcrqaikq6633p2nvbo1c7pucq8j RemoveThis @4ax.com>, Darren J
Longhorn wrote:
  > >The attitude jets are at right angles to the direction of spin . . .
 >
 > Careful!
 >
THESE DAYS the attitude jets ...

Previously ? ... Teela *might* know. Repeat "might".
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On 17 Jun 2004 15:45:08 GMT, anim8rfsk DeleteThis @aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk)
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 ><< From: Mark Landin mark.landin DeleteThis @tdwilliamson.com >>
 >
 >
 ><< Why couldn't you spin it up with the attitude jets? >>
 >
 >The attitude jets are at right angles to the direction of spin . . .

Mount them in the proper plane, originally. Spin it up, then remount
the jets into their station-keeping orientation.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Mark Landin <mark.landin RemoveThis @tdwilliamson.com> writes:

  >>I'd go with the Outsiders making RW far before the Pak. First off,
  >>you'd need their reactionless drive system to spin it up.

 >Why couldn't you spin it up with the attitude jets?

Let's see. We know the total mass, I think.
We also know the rotational rate.

Anyone care to figure out the total energy required?
{I suspect it is non-trivial....}

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<< From: David Lesher wb8foz RemoveThis @panix.com >>


<< Let's see. We know the total mass, I think. >>

Pretty much the same as Jupiter.


<< Anyone care to figure out the total energy required?
{I suspect it is non-trivial....} >>

of course I guess you could spend a hundred years spinning it up with free
energy from the sun . .
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