history of arthur

We taped the History Channel's Arthur show. Haven't watched it yet.
Wondering if it's going to tell me anything I don't already know...
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in article 40d744f3$0$3033$61fed72c@news.rcn.com, Julianne Toomey-Kautz at
JulianneTK.DeleteThis@Kautzlaw.com wrote on 6/21/04 4:28 PM:

 > We taped the History Channel's Arthur show. Haven't watched it yet.
 > Wondering if it's going to tell me anything I don't already know...
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 > blessed be, Julianne
 > amateur Arthurian scholar
 >
Well, I for one was surprised to find out that Arthur was really Deryni...

(Okay, I admit it, I missed the show. Wish I hadn't, though. It sounds
interesting)

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It's supposed to be on again on Thursday at 8:00 PM (EDT). Had to miss it -
only station out on the whole cable system. 8-( Can't wait til Thursday.
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On 21 Jun 2004 22:24:43 GMT, althyork1 RemoveThis @aol.com (Althyork1) wrote:

 >It's supposed to be on again on Thursday at 8:00 PM (EDT). Had to miss it -
 >only station out on the whole cable system. 8-( Can't wait til Thursday.

Well, I won't say anything (I hate being spoiled myself<G>), except to
say it wasn't bad!

And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
Arthur died...(and this is documented)



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Spoiler space -- if you didn't see it yet and don't want to read about
it until you do-- skip this post.










Wesley Struebing wrote:
 >
 > Well, I won't say anything (I hate being spoiled myself<G>), except to
 > say it wasn't bad!


  I did notice that they jumped around in time a lot. They went from
Nennius to Gildas to Geoffrey back to Nennius back to Geoffrey back to
Gildas, which I found annoying after a while. It wasn't
straightforward. And they didn't quote hte possible Welsh sources as
being as old as I know they are... ah well.

  They did manage to tell me some things I'd never heard before: that
part about the slaughter of the native kings reputedly happening at
Stonehenge? Hunh?

 >
 > And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
 > Arthur died...(and this is documented)
 >

  I was fascinated by where that possible partial model for Arthur died,
too, and I'd never heard that one before either. They did miss some of
the continental proofs that there was an Arthur prototype-- there's some
engraving in a church somewhere labelled "Arthur" or something close
enough to it of an appropriate age to make scholars blink. I could find
the exact reference if you're interested--but later. It's downstairs in
our library.

  Overall, it was pretty good, I thought. I'll agree with you, Wes.
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"Matt Cushing" <matt.DeleteThis@cushingonline.com> wrote in message news:<2jokg1F142s81U1.DeleteThis@uni-berlin.de>...
 > "thomas noll" <ten.DeleteThis@world.std.com> wrote in message
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  > > anyone watch the History channel Sunday night on the origins of the
  > > King Arthur?
....
 > It doesn't say anything about a rebroadcast, does anyone know if they will?
 > I am assuming that with the movie coming out soon that they just might.
 >
 > How was the narration by Patrick Stewart? His portrayal as Leondegrance
 > in Excalibur is still one of my favorite parts of that movie. That and how
 > goofy Merlin was at times:) I love Nicol Williamson
 > M@
the narration was average for Stewart which makes it better than most,
he didnt have a lot of meat, mostly summarizing.
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Hi,
My absolute favorite Williamson roles is Sherlock Holmes in the Seven
Percent Solution. I know he's done other stuff..but Merlin and Holmes are
the two that stick out most in my memory.
Jeanette
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 > My absolute favorite Williamson roles is Sherlock Holmes in the Seven
 > Percent Solution. I know he's done other stuff..but Merlin and Holmes are
 > the two that stick out most in my memory.
 > Jeanette
 >
 >

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 > They did manage to tell me some things I'd never heard before: that
 > part about the slaughter of the native kings reputedly happening at
 > Stonehenge? Hunh?

"Hunh?" is right - this sounds like a load of rubbish to me (I'm an
archaeologist, btw).
?
 >
  > >
  > > And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
  > > Arthur died...(and this is documented)
  > >
Who was the partial source for Arthur - was it Ambrosius?

 > I was fascinated by where that possible partial model for Arthur died,
 > too, and I'd never heard that one before either. They did miss some of
 > the continental proofs that there was an Arthur prototype
There's a book by Geoffrey Ashe about the continental sources for Arthur,
which feature a chap called Rigotanus, which just means Great King, or
something similar. He can be very convincing.
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Dear Lesley

  >>They did manage to tell me some things I'd never heard before: that
  >>part about the slaughter of the native kings reputedly happening at
  >>Stonehenge? Hunh?
 >
 >
 > "Hunh?" is right - this sounds like a load of rubbish to me (I'm an
 > archaeologist, btw).

  Good! So at least I know I've not been missing something everybody
else knows all these years. Strictly amateur, me, though.

  There are all kinds of slaughters of native nobles that happen at
feasts. I'd just never heard that in connection with Stonehenge. <shrugs>


   >>>And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
   >>>Arthur died...(and this is documented)

  Supposedly near a city on the continent called Avalon. The show said
it's documented, but I know I haven't seen that in my reading...

   >>>
 >
 > Who was the partial source for Arthur - was it Ambrosius?

  They cited Ambrosius (with several different pronunciations for
Aurelianus). They also cited some Roman general of the 3rd or 4th
century whose middle name was Artorius... I forget the rest of his name,
though. It was something very Roman.

  They kept missing the Welsh triads, though, which seem to place Arthur
fairly early. And they didn't give the explantion that I've
heard/read as to why Arthur isn't mentioned in the chronicles of the
early 4th/5th century... that perhaps he really, really ticked off the
church-- or the one particular churchman who was writing the history of
that time. I can't remember where I read that, though...

 >
  >>I was fascinated by where that possible partial model for Arthur died,
  >>too, and I'd never heard that one before either. They did miss some of
  >>the continental proofs that there was an Arthur prototype
 >
 > There's a book by Geoffrey Ashe about the continental sources for Arthur,
 > which feature a chap called Rigotanus, which just means Great King, or
 > something similar. He can be very convincing.

  Yeah, that was it! Rigotanus! Sounds like some kind of pasta.

  And Geoffrey Ashe was frequently on screen as an "expert." I'm kind of
surprised that they didn't have John Matthews, if they had G. Ashe... J.
Matthews has some interesting perspectives on Arthuriana.
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 >
 >
  > > They did manage to tell me some things I'd never heard before: that
  > > part about the slaughter of the native kings reputedly happening at
  > > Stonehenge? Hunh?
 >
 > "Hunh?" is right - this sounds like a load of rubbish to me (I'm an
 > archaeologist, btw).
 > ?
  > >
   > > >
   > > > And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
   > > > Arthur died...(and this is documented)
   > > >
 > Who was the partial source for Arthur - was it Ambrosius?
 >
  > > I was fascinated by where that possible partial model for Arthur died,
  > > too, and I'd never heard that one before either. They did miss some of
  > > the continental proofs that there was an Arthur prototype
 > There's a book by Geoffrey Ashe about the continental sources for Arthur,
 > which feature a chap called Rigotanus, which just means Great King, or
 > something similar. He can be very convincing.
 > Lesley
 >
 >
I thought I had heard about Arthur being a Romanized Celt on an earlier
history of King Arthur, so when they said he was based on two Romans it
didn't surprise me. What I did find interesting is that Bretons were the
loyal left flank of William the Conquerer. Be careful who you try to push
out of a land you are conquering. Their decendants may just be part of a
conquering army that pushes you out years later.

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:27:17 +0100, <hayarts.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

 >
 >
  >> They did manage to tell me some things I'd never heard before: that
  >> part about the slaughter of the native kings reputedly happening at
  >> Stonehenge? Hunh?
 >
 >"Hunh?" is right - this sounds like a load of rubbish to me (I'm an
 >archaeologist, btw).
 >?
  >>
   >> >
   >> > And I find it interesting where one of the possible partial models for
   >> > Arthur died...(and this is documented)
   >> >

(source moved on purpose so spoiler space doesn't interfere):

 >
  >> I was fascinated by where that possible partial model for Arthur died,
  >> too, and I'd never heard that one before either. They did miss some of
  >> the continental proofs that there was an Arthur prototype
 >There's a book by Geoffrey Ashe about the continental sources for Arthur,
 >which feature a chap called Rigotanus, which just means Great King, or
 >something similar. He can be very convincing.

Almost that entire part of the legend (well, except for the
Celtic/Roman leader) was new to me - not that I've made it a real
study. But it appears that the new Arthur movie takes that tack.

 > Who was the partial source for Arthur - was it Ambrosius?

Nope. IIRC, the source was French (and, I think, others), but he is
documented to have died at
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:28:29 -0400, Julianne Toomey-Kautz wrote:

 > We taped the History Channel's Arthur show. Haven't watched it yet.
 > Wondering if it's going to tell me anything I don't already know...

After watching their take on "The Last Samurai" I'd have to say I was very
disappointed. One would think that they would be a little more
detail-oriented, considering the focus of the channel (i.e, History!). It
seems like the focus is too much on supporting the movie/show rather than
imparting information.

But I'm glad to read that Julianne found something worthwhile in the
Arthur show.

regards,
Beth

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