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On Mar 15, 8:00 pm, "branionaristok" <branionaris....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I believe that the Camber connection for Alaric was through Kenneth
> and not through Keryell.

I'm not sure how the connection could be through the fully-human
Kenneth.

> The CC does seem to have its head buried in the ground a lot of the
> time. Maybe they've lost track of the Camber descendants. It could
> be they've forgotten that Rhysel's descendants married into Cassan and
> the royal family.

Even after Evaine's death, seats on the CC were filled with people who
knew the MacRorie clan very well. You would think that any of
Rhysel's decendants would be well known to them. I suppose that it's
possible that later members didn't know, or just didn't think it
relevant to their "purpose." It just doesn't seem reasonable that
decendants of the founders of the Council would fade completely into
obscurity. I would think it more likely that they would wind up *on*
the Council.


>But what irks me most about them is how keen they
> were on Alaric and his future training when they thought he was
> Donal's son--as soon as they learned he wasn't, they didn't give a
> flip about him, despite him being a future Deryni duke and royal
> servant in a position to do his people a lot of good.

This troubled me a bit as well, until I thought about the "half-breed"
issue in real world context. For example, the children of GI's in
Korea during the war were shunned by both Americans and Koreans.
"Mulattos" have typically been considered outcasts by both blacks and
whites. Mostly, I think this is a matter of each group thinking that
the "Half-breed" belongs to the other group, and should be that
group's responsibility.

I think that the CC's reaction is due to members thinking that 1)
since he's half-human, he should be the responsibility of humans, 2)
they feel that his powers were "watered down" because he isn't full
Deryni, or 3) they were so confused by the failed plotting of Donal
that they don't know what to think- except that Alaric is an unknown
quantity in their own plotting. And we all know how they hate unknown
quantities....

Pat
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In article <1174063965.490498.6390.DeleteThis@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
grayblob.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (grayblob) wrote:

> *From:* "grayblob" <grayblob.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> *Date:* 16 Mar 2007 09:52:45 -0700
>
> On Mar 15, 8:00 pm, "branionaristok" <branionaris....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe that the Camber connection for Alaric was through Kenneth
> > and not through Keryell.
>
> I'm not sure how the connection could be through the fully-human
> Kenneth.

But Kenneth wasn't fully human - though nobody seems to have been aware of
the fact. And piecing together information from the second edition of the
Codex, it is possible to put together a highly likely line of descent from
Camber to Alaric through Kenneth - I posted about this a few weeks back, but
it was done rather better about a year ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.books.deryni/msg/20d077fc33be816b

The one point of uncertainty in it is about the parentage of Kenneth's
mother, Madonna McLain - the second edition of the Codex does not say who her
mother was, but does say that her father was Arnall McLain who is elsewhere
stated to have been married to Adelicia Fitz-Arthur Quinnell. Also, the first
edition of the Codex apparently had Madonna as the sister of Arnall McLain -
which makes this line of descent break down.

Even if it does break down, Kenneth is still not fully human - the McLains
were descended through two different lines from Camber's sister Aislinn.

> > The CC does seem to have its head buried in the ground a lot of the
> > time. Maybe they've lost track of the Camber descendants. It could
> > be they've forgotten that Rhysel's descendants married into Cassan and
> > the royal family.
>
> Even after Evaine's death, seats on the CC were filled with people who
> knew the MacRorie clan very well. You would think that any of
> Rhysel's decendants would be well known to them. I suppose that it's
> possible that later members didn't know, or just didn't think it
> relevant to their "purpose." It just doesn't seem reasonable that
> decendants of the founders of the Council would fade completely into
> obscurity. I would think it more likely that they would wind up *on*
> the Council.

It may not seem reasonable, but the evidence from the Codex is that that's
exactly what happened - even if Alaric wasn't Adelicia F-A Q's
great-grandson, Duncan certainly was, and Adelicia was equally certainly
Rhysel's great-great-granddaughter. The CC simply seems to have forgotten
about Rhysel's "human" descendants.

> >But what irks me most about them is how keen they
> > were on Alaric and his future training when they thought he was
> > Donal's son--as soon as they learned he wasn't, they didn't give a
> > flip about him, despite him being a future Deryni duke and royal
> > servant in a position to do his people a lot of good.
>
> This troubled me a bit as well, until I thought about the "half-breed"
> issue in real world context. For example, the children of GI's in
> Korea during the war were shunned by both Americans and Koreans.
> "Mulattos" have typically been considered outcasts by both blacks and
> whites. Mostly, I think this is a matter of each group thinking that
> the "Half-breed" belongs to the other group, and should be that
> group's responsibility.
>
> I think that the CC's reaction is due to members thinking that 1)
> since he's half-human, he should be the responsibility of humans, 2)
> they feel that his powers were "watered down" because he isn't full
> Deryni, or 3) they were so confused by the failed plotting of Donal
> that they don't know what to think- except that Alaric is an unknown
> quantity in their own plotting. And we all know how they hate unknown
> quantities....
>

That sounds exactly right.

Peter Wilkinson
pwilkinson.DeleteThis@cix.co.uk
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