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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:33 pm
Post subject: Not a lot of success with the latest villains
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Maybe it's because they're all genocidal lunatics. But Xorn,
Cassandra Nova and Vulcan haven't really been engaging.
The entire point of Vulcan being a Summers brother has kind of been
thrown out the window. He's got no true family connection to them.
Frankly I've got an idea that would wipe Xorn and Nova out of
continuity and explain Vulcan's insanity.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:30 pm
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On Jun 4, 3:33 am, JLB <barn... RemoveThis @shentel.net> wrote:
> Maybe it's because they're all genocidal lunatics. But Xorn,
> Cassandra Nova and Vulcan haven't really been engaging.
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> The entire point of Vulcan being a Summers brother has kind of been
> thrown out the window. He's got no true family connection to them.
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> Frankly I've got an idea that would wipe Xorn and Nova out of
> continuity and explain Vulcan's insanity.
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> JLB
What idea is that then? I'm intrigued.
I have to disagree with you though about Cassandra Nova and Xorn.
Cassandra Nova was a fun villian, but definitely a "only use once".
She's already been significantly watered down in her Astonishing
appearance, and I don't think is a credible threat again.
As for Xorn, he was always Magneto anyway (I thought it was a great
reveal, made all the sadder by the fact that Xorn seemed to be the
first viable new X-Man in ages...). But again, a "once only" villian.
All the other regular X-Men baddies have been significantly diluted,
becoming almost comical (Apocalypse anybody) or have joined "the side
of angels" to use a Claremontism. Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut
(hell even Sabretooth though he's bluffing). These guys were major,
regular antagonists.
Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his way. I
have no idea what is going on with Selene - she seems to get beaten up
and dispatched with no problem in Uncanny and then crops up in New X-
Men. Magneto is a joke. The Morlocks have all been killed off again
and again but seem to keep coming back regardless. Any other major
villians we haven't seen for a while spring to anybody's mind?
I think the major problem with introducing a new villian is that it
should be done gradually and the character should have ties to the X-
Men mythos that makes the conflict more emotive. Given the continual
rotation of writers, nobody has a chance to build up and define a
villian and their backstory, and any new villians (or characters)
introduced by a new writer tend to be vilified before they have a
chance. Also, note for writers: villians dont become credible threats
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:47 pm
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James Wyllie wrote:
> On Jun 4, 3:33 am, JLB <barn....TakeThisOut@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Maybe it's because they're all genocidal lunatics. But Xorn,
> > Cassandra Nova and Vulcan haven't really been engaging.
> >
> > The entire point of Vulcan being a Summers brother has kind of been
> > thrown out the window. He's got no true family connection to them.
> >
> > Frankly I've got an idea that would wipe Xorn and Nova out of
> > continuity and explain Vulcan's insanity.
> >
> > JLB
>
> What idea is that then? I'm intrigued.
Onslaught. I've mentioned it before. The idea is that since Xavier
knew how to fragment his mind, see the Entity, so Onslaught would also
know.
Xorn was an Onslaught fragment who used the machine Astra used to
create Joseph, to create another clone.
Nova was an Onslaught fragment who created her backstory based on a
Shi'ar boogeyman story Xavier had heard
The Onslaught of Onslaught Reborn, was what it claimed to be, created
from Magneto and Xavier's powers occupying the same space. The real
Onslaught just used him to try to get at Franklin Richards. It was a
nothing plan, just executed because he lost nothing if it lost, but
gained Franklin if it won.
Vulcan just had his mind screwed with when he was reborn. I'm not
saying he's pleasant or anything but the reason he's so homicidal is
Onslaught tampering with his mind.
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> I have to disagree with you though about Cassandra Nova and Xorn.
> Cassandra Nova was a fun villian, but definitely a "only use once".
> She's already been significantly watered down in her Astonishing
> appearance, and I don't think is a credible threat again.
Her origin is so ridiculous that I have a problem with it.
>
> As for Xorn, he was always Magneto anyway (I thought it was a great
> reveal, made all the sadder by the fact that Xorn seemed to be the
> first viable new X-Man in ages...). But again, a "once only" villian.
When Magneto starts heating up ovens he's massively out of character,
so if he was always meant to be Magneto than Morrison didn't properly
know the character.
>
> All the other regular X-Men baddies have been significantly diluted,
> becoming almost comical (Apocalypse anybody) or have joined "the side
> of angels" to use a Claremontism. Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut
> (hell even Sabretooth though he's bluffing). These guys were major,
> regular antagonists.
>
> Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his way. I
> have no idea what is going on with Selene - she seems to get beaten up
> and dispatched with no problem in Uncanny and then crops up in New X-
> Men. Magneto is a joke. The Morlocks have all been killed off again
> and again but seem to keep coming back regardless. Any other major
> villians we haven't seen for a while spring to anybody's mind?
>
> I think the major problem with introducing a new villian is that it
> should be done gradually and the character should have ties to the X-
> Men mythos that makes the conflict more emotive. Given the continual
> rotation of writers, nobody has a chance to build up and define a
> villian and their backstory, and any new villians (or characters)
> introduced by a new writer tend to be vilified before they have a
> chance. Also, note for writers: villians dont become credible threats
> by killing off a c-list character or two.
I suppose this is why it's so hard to create credible characters. I
have no interest in people with ties to the mythos, because that most
likely means someone is stabbing someone in the back. I think bad
guys should cause fear, hatred, anger, despair related to not being
able to stop them. Not loss, and a desire for reconcilliation.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:47 pm
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Donnacha wrote:
> "James Wyllie" <james.wyllie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > All the other regular X-Men baddies have been significantly diluted,
> > becoming almost comical (Apocalypse anybody)
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> To be honest, go right back to his original appearance in X-Factor - he's
> never come across as big and bad as he was supposed to to me - too much
> baggage and too much of that 90s rubbish.
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> > or have joined "the side
> > of angels" to use a Claremontism. Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut
> > (hell even Sabretooth though he's bluffing). These guys were major,
> > regular antagonists.
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> > Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his way.
>
> The revived Marauders look interesting
> (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg),
> I do hope that no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually
> turned. The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of X-Men
> villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and murderous.
>
> D.
And they've been killed several times, making them less effective.
I personally hate betrayal storylines, so I hope those who have
switched sides, in fact aren't. A good villian should inspire fear
not Angst.
Exodus and (Lady?) Mastermind are slumming. Mastermind could be a key
cog in a new Hellfire Club.
I don't recognize the woman next to Gambi and the one underneath
Random, who are they? I also don't recognize the redhead in the back.
Emma also seems to be one of them, but Malice was also a Marauder. So
maybe she's possessed.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:49 pm
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On Jun 4, 4:32 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOS....TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote innews:46641938$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
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> > The revived Marauders look interesting
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> > /marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg), I do hope that
> > no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually turned.
> > The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of
> > X-Men villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and
> > murderous.
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> They do look interesting. Let's see...Vertigo, Sunfire, Gambit,
> Prism, Scalphunter, Random, Harpoon (not previously in the 198),
> Riptide (not previously in the 198). Exodus, Arclight, Emma
> Frost(?!), Lady Mastermind, and Karima. If we suppose that Sinister
> really can do something for mutants, and we're seeing two
> fully-powered but presumably de-powered mutants in this group, we
> could be seeing the resurgance of mutants again.
It's possible that Harpoon and Riptide were dead at the time and have
been recloned.
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> What really interests me is why Lady Mastermind and Karima end up in
> this group but Sabretooth doesn't. >> Stay informed about: Not a lot of success with the latest villains |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:52 pm
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"James Wyllie" <james.wyllie RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> All the other regular X-Men baddies have been significantly diluted,
> becoming almost comical (Apocalypse anybody)
To be honest, go right back to his original appearance in X-Factor - he's
never come across as big and bad as he was supposed to to me - too much
baggage and too much of that 90s rubbish.
> or have joined "the side
> of angels" to use a Claremontism. Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut
> (hell even Sabretooth though he's bluffing). These guys were major,
> regular antagonists.
>
> Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his way.
The revived Marauders look interesting
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg),
I do hope that no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually
turned. The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of X-Men
villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and murderous.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:09 pm
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On Jun 4, 7:47 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> JLB <barn....RemoveThis@shentel.net> wrote innews:1180990186.115319.320830@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
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> > On Jun 4, 4:32 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOS....RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote
> >> innews:46641938$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
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> >> > The revived Marauders look interesting
> >> > (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?
> >> image=previews
> >> > /marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg), I do hope
> >> > that no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually
> >> > turned. The Marauders are probably the last truly major
> >> > collection of X-Men villains that really worked, in my opinion,
> >> > truly vile and murderous.
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> >> They do look interesting. Let's see...Vertigo, Sunfire, Gambit,
> >> Prism, Scalphunter, Random, Harpoon (not previously in the 198),
> >> Riptide (not previously in the 198). Exodus, Arclight, Emma
> >> Frost(?!), Lady Mastermind, and Karima. If we suppose that
> >> Sinister really can do something for mutants, and we're seeing
> >> two fully-powered but presumably de-powered mutants in this
> >> group, we could be seeing the resurgance of mutants again.
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> > It's possible that Harpoon and Riptide were dead at the time and
> > have been recloned.
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Have we seen evidence she affects corpses? Or previously taken blood
samples? Simply put if they weren't around no one would think to put
them on the list.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:58 pm
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On Jun 4, 9:21 pm, Billy Bissette <bai....TakeThisOut@coastalnet.com> wrote:
> JLB <barn....TakeThisOut@shentel.net> wrote in news:1180990032.648270.70410
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> > James Wyllie wrote:
> >> On Jun 4, 3:33 am, JLB <barn....TakeThisOut@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> > Maybe it's because they're all genocidal lunatics. But Xorn,
> >> > Cassandra Nova and Vulcan haven't really been engaging.
>
> >> > The entire point of Vulcan being a Summers brother has kind of been
> >> > thrown out the window. He's got no true family connection to
> them.
>
> >> > Frankly I've got an idea that would wipe Xorn and Nova out of
> >> > continuity and explain Vulcan's insanity.
>
> >> > JLB
>
> >> What idea is that then? I'm intrigued.
>
> > Onslaught. I've mentioned it before. The idea is that since Xavier
> > knew how to fragment his mind, see the Entity, so Onslaught would also
> > know.
>
> > Xorn was an Onslaught fragment who used the machine Astra used to
> > create Joseph, to create another clone.
>
> Clones almost never make anything better. Mind, Onslaught retcons
> almost never make anything better either.
The clone is just to provide a physical form.
>
> > Nova was an Onslaught fragment who created her backstory based on a
> > Shi'ar boogeyman story Xavier had heard
>
> You call her real origin "ridiculous," compared to phantom boogeyman?
Who's the "phantom boogeyman"
>
> > The Onslaught of Onslaught Reborn, was what it claimed to be, created
> > from Magneto and Xavier's powers occupying the same space. The real
> > Onslaught just used him to try to get at Franklin Richards. It was a
> > nothing plan, just executed because he lost nothing if it lost, but
> > gained Franklin if it won.
>
> > Vulcan just had his mind screwed with when he was reborn. I'm not
> > saying he's pleasant or anything but the reason he's so homicidal is
> > Onslaught tampering with his mind.
>
> And what does that achieve, other than making him a more worthless
> character than he already is? He *has* reason to hate people.
Why? It's not people's fault his father was abducted by aliens, or he
died in the womb.
He has a reason to curl up into the fetal position and just collapse.
Not to try to slaughter people the way he has.
>
> He doesn't need excuses for being homicidal unless you plan to turn
> him into a hero at some point, but the readers that don't like Vulcan
> aren't going to suddenly start cheering if he switches sides.
Actually the point is to justify killing him without feeling to bad.
He's just been to warped by to many things to be reachable.
Heck,
> simply being a Summers brother is reason to not like him.
No, it isn't.
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> No one can be a bad guy unless Xavier's evil half is somehow
> involved?
All these things are so random and senseless, and even more
implausable than normal. I'm just trying to make sense of them.
>
> >> I have to disagree with you though about Cassandra Nova and Xorn.
> >> Cassandra Nova was a fun villian, but definitely a "only use once".
> >> She's already been significantly watered down in her Astonishing
> >> appearance, and I don't think is a credible threat again.
>
> > Her origin is so ridiculous that I have a problem with it.
>
> Mummudrai have been used in stories since. Like the most recent
> Carey X-Men arc. And her origin (and story) is pretty simple compared
> to many others. The problem is that Marvel decided to keep using her
> as a villain afterwards, which only weakens the character and undermines
> the whole change that she would go through before Here Comes Tomorrow.
You ask me making one shot villains(unless you're just stopping a bank
robbery) is a waste of the effort used in creating them. Also, Here
Comes Tomorrow isn't going to happen. So who says she'd go through
any changes.
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> >> As for Xorn, he was always Magneto anyway (I thought it was a great
> >> reveal, made all the sadder by the fact that Xorn seemed to be the
> >> first viable new X-Man in ages...). But again, a "once only"
> villian.
>
> > When Magneto starts heating up ovens he's massively out of character,
> > so if he was always meant to be Magneto than Morrison didn't properly
> > know the character.
>
> You mean Magneto who at best was drifting out of sanity from using
> Kick, and at worst was being affected by a powerful being (masquerading
> *as* the drug Kick) which had the goal of knocking mutants down
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And given the machines he'd used to augment his powers in the past I
think him using Kick is also a bad idea.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:20 pm
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On Jun 4, 10:38 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> JLB <barn... RemoveThis @shentel.net> wrote innews:1181008730.517845.235130@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
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> > On Jun 4, 9:21 pm, Billy Bissette <bai... RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
> >> > Vulcan just had his mind screwed with when he was reborn. I'm
> >> > not saying he's pleasant or anything but the reason he's so
> >> > homicidal is Onslaught tampering with his mind.
>
> >> And what does that achieve, other than making him a more
> >> worthless
> >> character than he already is? He *has* reason to hate people.
>
> > Why? It's not people's fault his father was abducted by aliens,
> > or he died in the womb.
>
> So what? Some killers use things like a bad upbringing or getting
> fired from a job as excuses for killing. Vulcan is just more
> powerful and can affect a wider range. Also, I think he really just
> wanted revenge and was willing to kill anyone who got in his way.
>
> > He has a reason to curl up into the fetal position and just
> > collapse. Not to try to slaughter people the way he has.
>
> >> He doesn't need excuses for being homicidal unless you plan to
> >> turn
> >> him into a hero at some point, but the readers that don't like
> >> Vulcan aren't going to suddenly start cheering if he switches
> >> sides.
>
> > Actually the point is to justify killing him without feeling to
> > bad. He's just been to warped by to many things to be reachable.
>
> Who do you know who would feel bad about it? I don't know of anyone
> who actually likes the character or thinks he has any redeeming
> qualities. Heck, the What If? where Vulcan survives still has him
> turn out to be homicidal. That's just who he is.
Cyclops, Havok and Xavier. They can just write him off as not the
real Vulcan.
>
> >> Mummudrai have been used in stories since. Like the most
> >> recent
> >> Carey X-Men arc. And her origin (and story) is pretty simple
> >> compared to many others. The problem is that Marvel decided to
> >> keep using her as a villain afterwards, which only weakens the
> >> character and undermines the whole change that she would go
> >> through before Here Comes Tomorrow.
>
> > You ask me making one shot villains(unless you're just stopping a
> > bank robbery) is a waste of the effort used in creating them.
> > Also, Here Comes Tomorrow isn't going to happen. So who says
> > she'd go through any changes.
>
> Ernst, perhaps?
I've lost track. Hasn't everyone forgot about that?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:24 pm
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JLB <barnett.TakeThisOut@shentel.net> wrote in
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> Maybe it's because they're all genocidal lunatics. But Xorn,
> Cassandra Nova and Vulcan haven't really been engaging.
Hmmm...loved Cassandra Nova. Xorn was great when he was really just
Magneto in disguise. I could have done without Vulcan entirely.
> The entire point of Vulcan being a Summers brother has kind of
> been thrown out the window. He's got no true family connection
> to them.
Even less so after murdering Corsair.
> Frankly I've got an idea that would wipe Xorn and Nova out of
> continuity and explain Vulcan's insanity.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:27 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:32 pm
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"Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOSPAM DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
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> The revived Marauders look interesting
> (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?
image=previews
> /marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg), I do hope that
> no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually turned.
> The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of
> X-Men villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and
> murderous.
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They do look interesting. Let's see...Vertigo, Sunfire, Gambit,
Prism, Scalphunter, Random, Harpoon (not previously in the 198),
Riptide (not previously in the 198). Exodus, Arclight, Emma
Frost(?!), Lady Mastermind, and Karima. If we suppose that Sinister
really can do something for mutants, and we're seeing two
fully-powered but presumably de-powered mutants in this group, we
could be seeing the resurgance of mutants again.
What really interests me is why Lady Mastermind and Karima end up in
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:50 pm
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Lo and behold, on Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:52:57 +0100 "Donnacha"
<donnacha.delongNOSPAM RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> sayeth thus:
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>"James Wyllie" <james.wyllie RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> All the other regular X-Men baddies have been significantly diluted,
>> becoming almost comical (Apocalypse anybody)
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>To be honest, go right back to his original appearance in X-Factor - he's
>never come across as big and bad as he was supposed to to me - too much
>baggage and too much of that 90s rubbish.
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>> or have joined "the side
>> of angels" to use a Claremontism. Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut
>> (hell even Sabretooth though he's bluffing). These guys were major,
>> regular antagonists.
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>> Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his way.
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>The revived Marauders look interesting
>(http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=previews/marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg),
>I do hope that no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually
>turned. The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of X-Men
>villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and murderous.
It does look interesting. Still, the story has to be there as well.
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Now let's see, who's in that picture:
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Random
Exodus
Lady Mastermind
Vertigo
Forearm/Barbarus/Juggernaut?
Scalphunter
Japanese woman (Sunfire's cousin?)
Gambit
Prism/Iceman(?)
Jubilee(?)
Emma Frost(?)
Northstar
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:47 pm
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JLB <barnett DeleteThis @shentel.net> wrote in
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> On Jun 4, 4:32 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Donnacha" <donnacha.delongNOS... DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote
>> innews:46641938$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
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>> > The revived Marauders look interesting
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>> > turned. The Marauders are probably the last truly major
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>> They do look interesting. Let's see...Vertigo, Sunfire, Gambit,
>> Prism, Scalphunter, Random, Harpoon (not previously in the 198),
>> Riptide (not previously in the 198). Exodus, Arclight, Emma
>> Frost(?!), Lady Mastermind, and Karima. If we suppose that
>> Sinister really can do something for mutants, and we're seeing
>> two fully-powered but presumably de-powered mutants in this
>> group, we could be seeing the resurgance of mutants again.
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> It's possible that Harpoon and Riptide were dead at the time and
> have been recloned.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:55 pm
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JLB <barnett DeleteThis @shentel.net> wrote in
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>> > Otherwise, who else is around? Apparently Sinister is on his
>> > way.
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>> The revived Marauders look interesting
>> (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?
image=preview
>> s/marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg), I do hope that
>> no-one is playing bad guy and some of them have actually turned.
>> The Marauders are probably the last truly major collection of
>> X-Men villains that really worked, in my opinion, truly vile and
>> murderous.
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>> D.
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> And they've been killed several times, making them less effective.
Only the originals (except, conveniently, Sabretooth). About half
of them have never been cloned.
> I personally hate betrayal storylines, so I hope those who have
> switched sides, in fact aren't. A good villian should inspire
> fear not Angst.
If Emma is possessed as you suggest below, the only real traiter is
Karima. As an Omega Sentinel, she should dislike all mutants.
Plus, she seemed to like the X-Men. Why work with them? As far as
Lady Mastermind goes, it's hard to call it a betrayal. I think she
was only ever there for revenge against the Children of the Vault.
She stuck around a little longer but she really had no reason to
stay.
> Exodus and (Lady?) Mastermind are slumming. Mastermind could be a
> key cog in a new Hellfire Club.
Exodus went to Sinister for help. The Marauders work for Sinister.
Not that far-fetched, though the idea of him working for anyone is
kind of beneath him. I guess you have to make some sacrifices
sometimes to get what you want.
> I don't recognize the woman next to Gambi and the one underneath
> Random, who are they? I also don't recognize the redhead in the
> back.
The one next to Gambit looks like Karima/Omega Sentinel, currently a
member of Carey's X-Men. The one under Random is Arclight, one of
the original Marauders and known to have retained her powers. The
redhead in the back is Harpoon, also one of the original Marauders.
As far as was previously known, he was de-powered; however, if
Sinister can re-power mutants, it might explain his presence.
> Emma also seems to be one of them, but Malice was also a Marauder.
> So maybe she's possessed.
Ooh, good catch. Malice is supposed to return in a different
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