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graemecree2

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:33 pm
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Bree wrote:
> You've done some serious thought and collecting of evidence here.
>
> Now I suggest you research Lewis's attitude toward 'ad hominem' attacks,
> and what he called 'Bulverizing.'
>
>
>
> Bree

I've seen the article, but Bulverizing doesn't mean "to criticize
someone for the content of their speech. It's basically a fancy
Lewisian name for the ad hominem circumstantial fallacy.

Now, if you meant to say that you were Bulverizing me, then I don't
think you've gone quite that far (you don't know enough *about* my
circumstances to employ a circumstantial fallacy, for one thing), but
you are being more than a tad evasive. I've been quite specific about
my reasons for dismissing Pullmans' views, and given quotes in which I
believe he discredits himself. I've told you what I think are the bad
things, but you've told me none of the good things. Your whole defense
of him is based on a (extremely vague) criticism of me. I don't mind,
but honestly, if that's the best argument that can be made on behalf of
the guy, doesn't that tell you something about him?

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:44 pm
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Bree (bree@bree.com) wrote:

> Now I suggest you research Lewis's attitude toward 'ad hominem'
> attacks, and what he called 'Bulverizing.'

Speaking of which, there must be a more formal name for the logical
fallacy he referred to as "Bulverism."

For those who don't know, the fallacy says explaining the reason why a
person believes something is the same as refuting that belief. In it's
grossest form it's "You just say that because you're a woman." But
subtler forms exist, e.g. "You believe in Christ because you're afraid
of going to hell."

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:35 pm
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I'm not being evasive, I'm being arrogant. Smile

Merry Christmas.


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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:05 pm
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Bree
>I'm not being evasive, I'm being arrogant. Smile


Oh. It's falling kinda flat, isn't it? All I can think is that you
want very much to say something good about Pullman, but can't think of
anything. I'm more amused than offended.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:03 pm
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In article <Xns9735EC1F4885Aopusthepenguinnettax RemoveThis @127.0.0.1>,
Opus the Penguin <opusthepenguin+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bree (bree@bree.com) wrote:
>
>> Now I suggest you research Lewis's attitude toward 'ad hominem'
>> attacks, and what he called 'Bulverizing.'
>
>Speaking of which, there must be a more formal name for the logical
>fallacy he referred to as "Bulverism."
>
>For those who don't know, the fallacy says explaining the reason why a
>person believes something is the same as refuting that belief. In it's
>grossest form it's "You just say that because you're a woman." But
>subtler forms exist, e.g. "You believe in Christ because you're afraid
>of going to hell."

A form of it is encouraged by those who think that the results of any
scientific or medical study should be viewed in terms of who funded it.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:13 am
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Robert wrote:

> It's generally best to ignore fatheads like Pullman. And dont believe him -
> it IS the presence of Christian doctrine that bothers him.
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>
> "Writemom" <writemom RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > Philip Pullman has, of course, stepped forth with all guns righteously
> > blazing to "protect" children from the underlying evil message of the
> > new LWW movie. To quote from today's Observer:
> >
> > 'It's not the presence of Christian doctrine I object to so much as the
> > absence of Christian virtue. The highest virtue, we have on the
> > authority of the New Testament itself, is love, and yet you find not a
> > trace of that in the books,' he said.
> >
> > The Narnia books, Pullman said, contained '...a peevish blend of
> > racist, misogynistic and reactionary prejudice; but of love, of
> > Christian charity, [there is] not a trace'.
> >
> > So, in answer to Pullman and those of like mind, where is the love and
> > charity in Narnia, and specifically, in LWW?
> >
> > Aslan, naturally, immediately comes to mind, but perhaps his sacrifice
> > would not be accepted by Pullman as an example of Christian love and
> > charity as he is not one of the "ordinary" characters. So other
> > examples that I can quickly think of are:
> >
> > Tumnus the Faun, Mr and Mrs Beaver, the animals that go to rescue
> > Edmund - all of whom put their lives in danger to help others.
> >
> > Any other thoughts?

And Edmund himself charging the White Witch to take out her wand.
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