ten RemoveThis @world.std.com (thomas noll) wrote in message news:<552909f7.0401260859.766bc419 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
> Julianne Toomey-Kautz <JulianneTK RemoveThis @Kautzlaw.com> wrote in message news:<401413FD.8020506 RemoveThis @Kautzlaw.com>...
> > What about "lost Caeriesse that sank beneath the sea" as a sort of
> > Atlantis paralell?
> >
> > Bee (Beverly) might be a good person to ask...
> > *************
> > blessed be, Julianne
> >
Gee, I'm an Authority! Wow! Not, however, the only one besides KK
herself. Barb McCutcheon has written some plausible ideas at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.airsid.net/A/36-01.htm" target="_blank">http://www.airsid.net/A/36-01.htm</a>
KK once told me in a letter that she didn't regard Caeriesse as the
birthplace of the Deryni. Years later, I asked her in a chat if
Caeriesse could have been where the Deryni first arrived in the Eleven
Kingdoms. She replied, "Some Deryni could have come from Caeriesse."
In an earlier chat, KK said, "Caeriesse is a cross between Atlantis
and Lyonesse. Both sank."
From the Codex Derynianus:
"During the years of the Byzantyun occupation of Gwynedd the Rûman
chronicles of Prochorus mention a race of men living to the Northwest
called the Heldurnii, their nation being termed Heldurnia...These 'sea
people' or 'dark men' came from the West and settled along the coast
of that rugged land before the year 200..." Of course, Brother
Theophilus contradicts himself at several points on this subject, also
pointing to a possible origin of the Deryni in Caeriesse, and
mentioning a second early colony of Deryni (the Beldourynoi) in
Torenth. One suspects that he is relying primarily on legend here,
since I was unable to locate a copy of the Chronicles of Prochorus for
verification."
From Deryni Magic:
"Nowhere have we yet been told just where the Deryni originated. We
may surmise that they were not indigenous to Gwynedd, or at least not
present in any great numbers, else the Deryni Prince Festil's invasion
from Torenth in 822 would not have made such an impact." (DM p. 5)
"Very early on, isolated references to individual Deryni adepts begin
to appear in written and oral sources, with several mostly Deryni
colonies well ensconced in the central and northern plains areas by
the beginning of the sixth century. Some of them claimed descent from
refugees who fled the destruction of Caeriesse, said to have
disappeared beneath the sea in the first quarter of the sixth
century..." (DM p.6)
If "them" refers to the "mostly Deryni colonies well ensconced...,"
then people living *before* Caeriesse sank claimed that their
*ancestors* had been there *when* it sank. Hmmmm.
"…Scholarly debate continues on the precise location of the doomed
kingdom—as well as its literal existence—but most authorities suppose
it to have been somewhere off the coast of what later became known as
Kierney, where reefs and shoals abound and ghostly underwater bells
sometimes are heard during storms."
"*Most* authorities," not all. If the Where and Whether of Caeriesse
are debated, the When can hardly be indisputable. If we think BC, not
AD, the sixth century timeline works. I'm not saying where I think
Caeriesse was.
My own writings about Caeriesse (in the last 3 DA ‘Zines) have been
carefully presented as folklore and legend, which Katherine is
unlikely to confirm or refute. Aside from its fate (which I've been
avoiding till I can find the right story), the sole link with KK's
books is the name "Caeriesse." The rest comes from my own
imagination, influenced by Celtic mythology.
BTW, there is a Breton legend of the island of Ker Is (same as the Ile
d'Ys?) which was sunk because of the iniquity of its inhabitants.
> But where did the Derinyness come from?
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