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(Msg. 91) Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:53 pm
Post subject: Re: What parts of Lord of the Rings you do NOT like. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT),
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>On Mar 27, 12:38 am, Derek Broughton wrote:
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>> I should hope. Flaming _others_ for their spelling on Usenet is tacky, but
>> on these groups, one should probably flame oneself for such abuses.
>>
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>I've been "back" now for a week or two after a few year's hiatus, and
>what surprises me the most that I didn't get a single
>flame about spelling or grammar yet; not even from Morgoth's curse.
>Where is he, by the way.
>
>Incdentally not a single welcome message either! You should rejoice,
>the troll is back!
>
>Tamim
It is rather odd, but I was actually thinking about you two or
three weeks ago and wondering whether you would ever return. It is a
curse to be psychic! ^_^
I also confess that I didn't expect you to return. I seem to
recall that you were living in Russia and I knew that is a very
dangerous nation in which to dwell during the past several years.
Where are you living now?
I have not been posting much as once did since I have had to
devote most of my time and energy to caring for my elderly mother
after my father passed away in 2007. I have also devoted most of my
free time recently in a different forum attempting to persuade
neo-conservatives that global warming is a genuine threat to humanity.
It is an exercise in futility, of course, since anybody who is so
stupid as to be a neo-conservative is usually too stupid to understand
basic scientific concepts, but everybody should tilt at a windmill or
two during their lifetime.
Welcome back, you idiot! ^_^
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(Msg. 92) Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:14 am
Post subject: Re: What parts of Lord of the Rings you do NOT like. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 29, 7:53 am, Morgoth's Curse
wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
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> >On Mar 27, 12:38 am, Derek Broughton wrote:
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> >> I should hope. Flaming _others_ for their spelling on Usenet is tacky, but
> >> on these groups, one should probably flame oneself for such abuses.
>
> >I've been "back" now for a week or two after a few year's hiatus, and
> >what surprises me the most that I didn't get a single
> >flame about spelling or grammar yet; not even from Morgoth's curse.
> >Where is he, by the way.
>
> >Incdentally not a single welcome message either! You should rejoice,
> >the troll is back!
>
> >Tamim
>
> It is rather odd, but I was actually thinking about you two or
> three weeks ago and wondering whether you would ever return. It is a
> curse to be psychic! ^_^
>
> I also confess that I didn't expect you to return. I seem to
> recall that you were living in Russia and I knew that is a very
> dangerous nation in which to dwell during the past several years.
> Where are you living now?
Finland as always  We were occupied by the Russians from 1809 to
1917, but it's not very dangerous here; unless you happen to be a high-
school student.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308961,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Sep24/0,4670,EUFinlandSchoolShooting,00.html
(your favourite media?)
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> I have not been posting much as once did since I have had to
> devote most of my time and energy to caring for my elderly mother
> after my father passed away in 2007.
I'm sorry to hear that.
> I have also devoted most of my
> free time recently in a different forum attempting to persuade
> neo-conservatives that global warming is a genuine threat to humanity.
> It is an exercise in futility, of course, since anybody who is so
> stupid as to be a neo-conservative is usually too stupid to understand
> basic scientific concepts, but everybody should tilt at a windmill or
> two during their lifetime.
Thankfully neo-conservatives form only a minority of even your
population.
I believe they are in a small minority even in their own party. And,
not knowing very many neocons (=none),
I think they might understand global warming or other scientific
concepts. They just don't care. Religious right OTOH probably don't
understand it and even if they did,
they would welcome the rising sea level in anticipation of the end of
days. Most of the rest or your conservatives don't know the difference
between Slovenia and Slovakia, let alone carbon dioxide and methane.
> Welcome back, you idiot! ^_^
Thanks mate
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(Msg. 93) Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:54 pm
Post subject: Re: What parts of Lord of the Rings you do NOT like. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 19, 4:41 pm, Troels Forchhammer
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> In message
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> j....DeleteThis@jones5011.fsnet.co.uk spoke these staves:
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> > On Mar 18, 9:05 pm, Troels Forchhammer
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> >> I also find that the game of counting orc-heads between Gimli and
> >> Legolas is out of place
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> > Why? This is quite common in war
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> The frequency with which such head-counting occurs in actual wars (or
> in epic legends, for that matter, like the Icelandic sagas) has nothing
> to do with it -- this is Tolkien's Middle-earth where things do work
> differently.
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> While this would, as I said earlier, be fine with the earlier portrayal
> of Orcs, it simply doesn't match the view on the Orcs that emerged with
> the writing of LotR and is prevalent in LotR and later writings. In
> this view Orcs are to be shown the same mercy and pity as any other
> speaking race, and though Gimli and Legolas are representatives of the
> older, fading races, they are also representatives of the good -- I'd
> have expected such a behaviour from someone like Denethor, or even from
> some of the Rohirrim, but Gimli and Legolas are more representative of
> the underlying ethos of Middle-earth, and so it feels wrong for them to
> engage in such a competition because such behaviour is morally wrong in
> Tolkien's universe.
Yes indeed. And I feel as sure as a Mortal Man can be that this
moment in Gimli's and Legolas' lives was not looked on with great
favor by God.
But that is the thing about Tolkien's protagonists, that is often
falsely denied by his critics, _they are not perfect_. Men are Fallen
as a people, and the other peoples are imperfect as individuals as
well, and there may be things 'like' the Fall involved in the other
races that we don't know about, too.
The Elves and Men and Dwarves come far _closer_ to the standard Eru
would have them live by than the Orcs do...but the Orcs know right
from wrong, and can even condemn the later. "Regular Elvish sort of
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(Msg. 94) Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:25 am
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Morgoth's Curse wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:16:01 +0100, "Taemon" wrote:
>> - It's male-centricity. Understandable, but still. The only woman in
>> the book that does something has to dress up like a man to do it.
> I've always considered that one of its strengths. Men and women are
> so different that it is folly to think that a man can create an
> authentic female character and vice versa.
Wow. I mean... boy. Have you honestly never read a book with fully fleshed
out characters? Male, female, what have you?
T. >> Stay informed about: What parts of Lord of the Rings you do NOT like. |
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