sauron

alison cuthbert wrote:
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 > who is the master of sauron?

When his former master, Melkor, got busted at the end of the
First Age, Sauron set up shop as an independent agent.

Your question is interesting from another angle. After
Sauron's disillusionment (pun intended) at the end of
the Third Age, what is his experience of himself and
the rest of reality? Did he think his only recourse
was to try to find and merge with Melkor, if that
were possible? Did he experience remorse and wish he
had accepted the opportunity to repent at the end of
the First Age? Did he admit to himself that anyone
has mastery over his new circumstances?

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alison cuthbert wrote:

 > who is the master of sauron?

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"Simon J. Rowe" <srowe.TakeThisOut@mose.org.uk> wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien:
 >alison cuthbert wrote:
 >
  >> who is the master of sauron?
 >
 >Melko, Melkor, Morgoth, the Dark Foe of the World.

Sorry, but I don't agree.

At the end of the First Age, Morgoth was thrust out of the world.
Sauron still paid lip service to him even to the end of Númenor, but
as soon as Morgoth was gone Sauron was his own master. After the end
of Númenor, Sauron no longer even gave lip service to
Morgoth/Melkor.

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alison cuthbert <alisonCtankgirl.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 > who is the master of sauron?

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 >Subject: sauron
 >From: alisonCtankgirl.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (alison cuthbert)
 >Date: 26/10/2004 17:59 GMT Daylight Time
 >Message-id: <78f3b77f.0410260859.61ea4cde.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>
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 >who is the master of sauron?

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:27:45 -0400, Stan Brown
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 >At the end of the First Age, Morgoth was thrust out of the world.
 >Sauron still paid lip service to him even to the end of Númenor, but
 >as soon as Morgoth was gone Sauron was his own master. After the end
 >of Númenor, Sauron no longer even gave lip service to
 >Morgoth/Melkor.

Actually we don't know that. Cite please?

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  > >Subject: sauron
  >>From: alisonCtankgirl.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (alison cuthbert)
  >>Date: 26/10/2004 17:59 GMT Daylight Time
  >>Message-id: <78f3b77f.0410260859.61ea4cde.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>
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  >>who is the master of sauron?
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 > JRR Tolkien

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 >"Simon J. Rowe" <srowe.DeleteThis@mose.org.uk> wrote in rec.arts.books.tolkien:
  >>alison cuthbert wrote:
  >>
   >>> who is the master of sauron?
  >>
  >>Melko, Melkor, Morgoth, the Dark Foe of the World.
 >
 >Sorry, but I don't agree.
 >
 >At the end of the First Age, Morgoth was thrust out of the world.
 >Sauron still paid lip service to him even to the end of Númenor, but
 >as soon as Morgoth was gone Sauron was his own master. After the end
 >of Númenor, Sauron no longer even gave lip service to
 >Morgoth/Melkor.

Woah. That was about 3000 years there - between the expulsion of Melkor to the
drowning of Numenor.

Sauron knows Melkor is coming back. It's all foretold.

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 > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:27:45 -0400, Stan Brown
 > <the_stan_brown RemoveThis @fastmail.fm> wrote:

  >> At the end of the First Age, Morgoth was thrust out of
  >> the world. Sauron still paid lip service to him even to
  >> the end of Númenor, but as soon as Morgoth was gone
  >> Sauron was his own master. After the end of Númenor,
  >> Sauron no longer even gave lip service to Morgoth/Melkor.

 > Actually we don't know that. Cite please?

"By a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had
become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of
evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle-earth. 2. When Morgoth was
defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear
only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and
remained in Middle-earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was
admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence
them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the 2nd age he assumed
the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the 3rd age
(though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth
returned."
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