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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:56 pm
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But I was told that avoids comma splices... I kept watching for one in the
new book...
He mentions Twain's Mysterious Stranger. Anyone read it? Apparently, there
is Twain Library edition (that is watered down), and a manuscript edition
(that is not watered down).
And somewhat related, was KV in the Ken Burns PBS special on Twain?. I've
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:00 am
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
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>>Why the hell would you give a damn about Indiana, and this idea that
>>knowledge about it was an intellectual fulfillment?
>
>
> Why isn't knowledge of any kind make a contribution to "intellectual
> fulfillment," even knowledge about Indiana? And, what does the term
> "intellectual fulfillment" mean? Sounds like an arbitrary demarcation
> intended to separate those who agree with you from those who don't for the
> purpose of belittling those who don't. When one reaches "intellectual
> fulfillment" does one have whiter whites, cleaner-smelling breath and a deep
> sense of inner peace?
>
> Also, why not give a damn about Indiana?
That's not what I said. I was wondering why you'd like an author based
on the fact that he enlightened you about Indiana. And if I have to
explain to you what "intellectual fulfillment" is, there's no sense in
me explaining it. Now, about Indiana, when I approach literature, I'm
expecting something else from it besides a quaint history lesson. For
tidbits about a place, I can write for a pamphlet from the Chamber of
Commerce.
Let me tell you what's going on here (and this WILL be a demarcation).
You putzes are pissed because I had the audacity to take a critical,
less-fawning view of your your beloved writer. I've liked Vonnegut for
thirty years. But I see him as someone you can't take seriously. He
says some really silly stuff and you guys, taken by his celebrity status
and the fact that you like his quirky books so much, act like he's
bringing down the tablets. Some of it is just so saccharine, it's
embarrassing. Like all that stuff about having an extended family, and
his maudlin view of Laurel and Hardy, and his silly impression of modern
life, his Luddite grumblings. It's just silly. Stand back and take a
look at it. Be objective. If a guy on the street said some of that
stuff, you'd laugh at him, and not because it's genuinely funny, but
because it's stupid. That comment about the use of semicolons is a
prime example. It's a silly thing to say.
Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual
giant? You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a
complete dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's
stand on things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his
political leanings, while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman
for these issues. His voice works in a supportive role, not as a
leader. You guys mistake him as a leader, as this great thinker. He's
got a vivid writing style, and back in the day, he had an astonishingly
fresh imagination. That's his contribution. Put it in the context of
reality.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:06 am
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Alric Knebel wrote:
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
> reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual
> giant? You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a
> complete dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's
> stand on things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his
> political leanings, while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman
> for these issues. His voice works in a supportive role, not as a
> leader. You guys mistake him as a leader, as this great thinker. He's
> got a vivid writing style, and back in the day, he had an astonishingly
> fresh imagination. That's his contribution. Put it in the context of
> reality.
And in case I didn't make THIS clear: I love ALL of the books I've read
of his, and I have most of them in hardcover. I didn't read that last
collection of short stories, and I haven't bought this new on that's on
the bestseller list (I'm so glad to see that). That doesn't diminish my
love for his other stuff.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:40 pm
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:06:05 -0600, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
>Alric Knebel wrote:
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
>> reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual
>> giant? You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a
>> complete dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's
>> stand on things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his
>> political leanings, while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman
>> for these issues. His voice works in a supportive role, not as a
>> leader. You guys mistake him as a leader, as this great thinker. He's
>> got a vivid writing style, and back in the day, he had an astonishingly
>> fresh imagination. That's his contribution. Put it in the context of
>> reality.
>
>And in case I didn't make THIS clear: I love ALL of the books I've read
>of his, and I have most of them in hardcover. I didn't read that last
>collection of short stories, and I haven't bought this new on that's on
>the bestseller list (I'm so glad to see that). That doesn't diminish my
>love for his other stuff.
I totally agree with everything you said.
You are a great thinker, a true intellectual, much smarter than any of
us, here.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:40 pm
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DanKaye wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:06:05 -0600, Alric Knebel
> <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
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>
>>Alric Knebel wrote:
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>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
>>>reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual
>>>giant? You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a
>>>complete dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's
>>>stand on things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his
>>>political leanings, while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman
>>>for these issues. His voice works in a supportive role, not as a
>>>leader. You guys mistake him as a leader, as this great thinker. He's
>>>got a vivid writing style, and back in the day, he had an astonishingly
>>>fresh imagination. That's his contribution. Put it in the context of
>>>reality.
>>
>>And in case I didn't make THIS clear: I love ALL of the books I've read
>>of his, and I have most of them in hardcover. I didn't read that last
>>collection of short stories, and I haven't bought this new on that's on
>>the bestseller list (I'm so glad to see that). That doesn't diminish my
>>love for his other stuff.
>
> I totally agree with everything you said.
> You are a great thinker, a true intellectual, much smarter than any of
> us, here.
> Thank you for enlightening us morons.
You're welcome, moron.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:20 am
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
> news:11qd875hme7sff5@corp.supernews.com...
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>>Dave Adalian wrote:
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>>
>>>"Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
>>>news:11qaccikueica78@corp.supernews.com...
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>>>
>>>>Why the hell would you give a damn about Indiana, and this idea that
>>>>knowledge about it was an intellectual fulfillment?
>>>
>>>
>>>Why isn't knowledge of any kind make a contribution to "intellectual
>>>fulfillment," even knowledge about Indiana? And, what does the term
>>>"intellectual fulfillment" mean? Sounds like an arbitrary demarcation
>>>intended to separate those who agree with you from those who don't for
>>>the purpose of belittling those who don't. When one reaches
>>>"intellectual fulfillment" does one have whiter whites, cleaner-smelling
>>>breath and a deep sense of inner peace?
>>>
>>>Also, why not give a damn about Indiana?
>>
>>That's not what I said. I was wondering why you'd like an author based on
>>the fact that he enlightened you about Indiana. And if I have to explain
>>to you what "intellectual fulfillment" is, there's no sense in me
>>explaining it. Now, about Indiana, when I approach literature, I'm
>>expecting something else from it besides a quaint history lesson. For
>>tidbits about a place, I can write for a pamphlet from the Chamber of
>>Commerce.
>>
>>Let me tell you what's going on here (and this WILL be a demarcation). You
>>putzes are pissed because I had the audacity to take a critical,
>>less-fawning view of your your beloved writer. I've liked Vonnegut for
>>thirty years. But I see him as someone you can't take seriously. He says
>>some really silly stuff and you guys, taken by his celebrity status and
>>the fact that you like his quirky books so much, act like he's bringing
>>down the tablets. Some of it is just so saccharine, it's embarrassing.
>>Like all that stuff about having an extended family, and his maudlin view
>>of Laurel and Hardy, and his silly impression of modern life, his Luddite
>>grumblings. It's just silly. Stand back and take a look at it. Be
>>objective. If a guy on the street said some of that stuff, you'd laugh at
>>him, and not because it's genuinely funny, but because it's stupid. That
>>comment about the use of semicolons is a prime example. It's a silly
>>thing to say.
>>
>>
>>Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
>>reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual giant?
>>You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a complete
>>dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's stand on
>>things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his political leanings,
>>while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman for these issues. His
>>voice works in a supportive role, not as a leader. You guys mistake him
>>as a leader, as this great thinker. He's got a vivid writing style, and
>>back in the day, he had an astonishingly fresh imagination. That's his
>>contribution. Put it in the context of reality.
>>--
>>Alric Knebel
>
>
> I don't think you're able to define "intellectual fulfillment" as it's a
> phrase so mealy-mouthed as to be almost completely devoid of meaning, and
> this is why I asked you to define it. You certainly are angry at being
> challenged. Why is that? Most likely it's because you've come looking for
> an argument, not a discussion. I think your anger is displaced. You'd do
> well to find what it is you're actually angry about and turn your efforts
> toward it.
You're a funny, funny man. Did you learn all that from Oprah?
> You make many assumptions about what I think and how I feel that you are
> completely unqualified to make; I in no way voiced the opinions you ascribe
> to me. Straw man arguments are easy to win, and I have a feeling that's
> what
> you were after. Perhaps that's what you mean by "intellectual fulfillment?"
>
> Hope you are able to figure out what's bothering you and calm down. I feel
> very sorry for you and those who can't dismiss you with a touch of the
> delete button.
>
> Happy holidays!
Okay, let me define "intellectual fulfillment" for you, you drab little
man. I'm thinking that all of us are on a quest for something that
defines what we know is out there somewhere, something perfectly
encompassing our individual experience in the context of our collective
experience. Our faith is that there's this sort of literary equivalent
to the unified field theory, something for poets.
There. Satisfied? If you didn't understand it, DO NOT ADMIT IT!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:23 am
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
> news:11qd875hme7sff5@corp.supernews.com...
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>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
>>>news:11qaccikueica78@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why the hell would you give a damn about Indiana, and this idea that
>>>>knowledge about it was an intellectual fulfillment?
>>>
>>>
>>>Why isn't knowledge of any kind make a contribution to "intellectual
>>>fulfillment," even knowledge about Indiana? And, what does the term
>>>"intellectual fulfillment" mean? Sounds like an arbitrary demarcation
>>>intended to separate those who agree with you from those who don't for
>>>the purpose of belittling those who don't. When one reaches
>>>"intellectual fulfillment" does one have whiter whites, cleaner-smelling
>>>breath and a deep sense of inner peace?
>>>
>>>Also, why not give a damn about Indiana?
>>
>>That's not what I said. I was wondering why you'd like an author based on
>>the fact that he enlightened you about Indiana. And if I have to explain
>>to you what "intellectual fulfillment" is, there's no sense in me
>>explaining it. Now, about Indiana, when I approach literature, I'm
>>expecting something else from it besides a quaint history lesson. For
>>tidbits about a place, I can write for a pamphlet from the Chamber of
>>Commerce.
>>
>>Let me tell you what's going on here (and this WILL be a demarcation). You
>>putzes are pissed because I had the audacity to take a critical,
>>less-fawning view of your your beloved writer. I've liked Vonnegut for
>>thirty years. But I see him as someone you can't take seriously. He says
>>some really silly stuff and you guys, taken by his celebrity status and
>>the fact that you like his quirky books so much, act like he's bringing
>>down the tablets. Some of it is just so saccharine, it's embarrassing.
>>Like all that stuff about having an extended family, and his maudlin view
>>of Laurel and Hardy, and his silly impression of modern life, his Luddite
>>grumblings. It's just silly. Stand back and take a look at it. Be
>>objective. If a guy on the street said some of that stuff, you'd laugh at
>>him, and not because it's genuinely funny, but because it's stupid. That
>>comment about the use of semicolons is a prime example. It's a silly
>>thing to say.
>>
>>
>>Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
>>reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual giant?
>>You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a complete
>>dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's stand on
>>things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his political leanings,
>>while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman for these issues. His
>>voice works in a supportive role, not as a leader. You guys mistake him
>>as a leader, as this great thinker. He's got a vivid writing style, and
>>back in the day, he had an astonishingly fresh imagination. That's his
>>contribution. Put it in the context of reality.
>>--
>>Alric Knebel
>
>
> I don't think you're able to define "intellectual fulfillment" as it's a
> phrase so mealy-mouthed as to be almost completely devoid of meaning, and
> this is why I asked you to define it. You certainly are angry at being
> challenged. Why is that? Most likely it's because you've come looking for
> an argument, not a discussion. I think your anger is displaced. You'd do
> well to find what it is you're actually angry about and turn your efforts
> toward it.
And one more thing: YOU guys are angry at being challenged. You have no
perspective on things. You take everyone else's perspective, because
having none of your own, you take on the views of celebrities. In this
case, a CELEBRITY writer. Once someone achieves that status, people
like you become sycophants, allowing the author to say and do anything,
and you just FOLLOW. I like Vonnegut probably MORE than you do. I just
don't think he's all that, because I don't NEED him to be ALL THAT.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:18 am
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
> news:11qfcbikld9v9ef@corp.supernews.com...
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>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
>>>news:11qd875hme7sff5@corp.supernews.com...
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>>>
>>>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:11qaccikueica78@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why the hell would you give a damn about Indiana, and this idea that
>>>>>>knowledge about it was an intellectual fulfillment?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why isn't knowledge of any kind make a contribution to "intellectual
>>>>>fulfillment," even knowledge about Indiana? And, what does the term
>>>>>"intellectual fulfillment" mean? Sounds like an arbitrary demarcation
>>>>>intended to separate those who agree with you from those who don't for
>>>>>the purpose of belittling those who don't. When one reaches
>>>>>"intellectual fulfillment" does one have whiter whites, cleaner-smelling
>>>>>breath and a deep sense of inner peace?
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, why not give a damn about Indiana?
>>>>
>>>>That's not what I said. I was wondering why you'd like an author based
>>>>on the fact that he enlightened you about Indiana. And if I have to
>>>>explain to you what "intellectual fulfillment" is, there's no sense in me
>>>>explaining it. Now, about Indiana, when I approach literature, I'm
>>>>expecting something else from it besides a quaint history lesson. For
>>>>tidbits about a place, I can write for a pamphlet from the Chamber of
>>>>Commerce.
>>>>
>>>>Let me tell you what's going on here (and this WILL be a demarcation).
>>>>You putzes are pissed because I had the audacity to take a critical,
>>>>less-fawning view of your your beloved writer. I've liked Vonnegut for
>>>>thirty years. But I see him as someone you can't take seriously. He
>>>>says some really silly stuff and you guys, taken by his celebrity status
>>>>and the fact that you like his quirky books so much, act like he's
>>>>bringing down the tablets. Some of it is just so saccharine, it's
>>>>embarrassing. Like all that stuff about having an extended family, and
>>>>his maudlin view of Laurel and Hardy, and his silly impression of modern
>>>>life, his Luddite grumblings. It's just silly. Stand back and take a
>>>>look at it. Be objective. If a guy on the street said some of that
>>>>stuff, you'd laugh at him, and not because it's genuinely funny, but
>>>>because it's stupid. That comment about the use of semicolons is a prime
>>>>example. It's a silly thing to say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, that seems like a harsh thing to say, and how dare a mere mortal
>>>>reader say such a thing about someone you consider an intellectual giant?
>>>>You'll interpret through your shock my incisive criticism as a complete
>>>>dismissal of Vonnegut. Let me make it plain: I love Vonnegut's stand on
>>>>things like labor and the poor, and I share all of his political
>>>>leanings, while I recognize that he's not the best spokesman for these
>>>>issues. His voice works in a supportive role, not as a leader. You guys
>>>>mistake him as a leader, as this great thinker. He's got a vivid writing
>>>>style, and back in the day, he had an astonishingly fresh imagination.
>>>>That's his contribution. Put it in the context of reality.
>>>>--
>>>>Alric Knebel
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think you're able to define "intellectual fulfillment" as it's a
>>>phrase so mealy-mouthed as to be almost completely devoid of meaning, and
>>>this is why I asked you to define it. You certainly are angry at being
>>>challenged. Why is that? Most likely it's because you've come looking
>>>for an argument, not a discussion. I think your anger is displaced.
>>>You'd do well to find what it is you're actually angry about and turn
>>>your efforts toward it.
>>
>>And one more thing: YOU guys are angry at being challenged. You have no
>>perspective on things. You take everyone else's perspective, because
>>having none of your own, you take on the views of celebrities. In this
>>case, a CELEBRITY writer. Once someone achieves that status, people like
>>you become sycophants, allowing the author to say and do anything, and you
>>just FOLLOW. I like Vonnegut probably MORE than you do. I just don't
>>think he's all that, because I don't NEED him to be ALL THAT.
>>--
>>Alric Knebel
>
>
> You're so far out in left field on this one there's just no point in
> responding other than to say you've begun to babble. For my part, I'm not
> angry. This just isn't something worth being upset about. Calm down.
Your attempts to accredit me with attitudes I don't have is an old
internet trick. YOU calm down. I've seen this all before.
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Dave, why even bother to talk to this guy? He came here with an agenda
to fight and call us morons, he accomplished his task, now let's let
him move on, unless he's truly a troll, in which case he'll stay and
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