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IIRC, it pretty much was established that blocking only affected the
individual blocked. It is not a genetic modification that would be
passed to offspring.

The side effect of the blocking would be that the offspring would not
get the early and correct training on how to recognize, use and
enhance their innate abilities. We also know that there are "weak"
Deryni and "strong" Deryni lineages, and untaught children of the weak
lineages might never recognize their true heritage.

As far as Jehana goes, the impression from DR is that she strongly
suspected - or knew - her Deryni heritage, but because of her exposure
to the teaching of the virulently anti-Deryni Abbess in her formative
years, always thought deryni-ness was the ultimate in evil ... and
thus tried to hide/deny it even to herself.

Brom

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:16:10 -0400, Julianne Toomey-Kautz
<JulianneTK.DeleteThis@Kautzlaw.com> wrote:

>The first thought that sprang to my mind regarding Jehana's powers and
>her self-knowledge or lack thereof, was this: what if her family was
>blocked back at the time of the baptizer cult and was never unblocked?
>If I recall correctly, memory of one's Deryniness would also be blocked.
>It hasn't been established whether or not the blocking passes down to
>children. Would the resultant offspring necessarily know that they were
>Deryni, if no one ever told them? Might they not fear deep down inside
>that there were Deryni if the abilities manifested themselves under
>extreme stress, but never know for sure?
>
> And is this whole entire theory worthy of Susan, Mistress of
>Complication?
>***********
>blessed be, Julianne
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Mitch Edelman wrote:
> I wonder - would the Camberian Council have had anything to do to
> arrange for Brion and Jehana to wed and produce Deryni-Haldane
> progeny? If so, then they would have known her lineage - and also had
> engaged in some genetic engineering, as it were. As there seems
> not to be any indication that the CC knew what was going on here,
> we can deduce that they weren't aware of Jen's Deryniness - certainly
> Denis gave no signs of knowing - and if they had no idea of her talent,
> then why should anyone else?
>
> No, I think that Jehana's Deryni awakening was a shock to everyone,
> including her very own self.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mitch Edelman
>

The original CC was composed exclusively of subjects of the Gwennedd
crown, and was primarily interested in human-Deryni relations within
Gwynnedd, and not Bremagne. Given that, I wouldn't assume that the CC
of Jehana's/Kelson's time would *know* that Jehana was Deryni. I
wouldn't put it past Denis to know something and give no sign,
though...

Pat
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In article <ia3bg2p0237lm2t1ovbm6pcpsli7984uld DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
<boberin1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>IIRC, it pretty much was established that blocking only affected the
>individual blocked. It is not a genetic modification that would be
>passed to offspring.
>
>The side effect of the blocking would be that the offspring would not
>get the early and correct training on how to recognize, use and
>enhance their innate abilities. We also know that there are "weak"
>Deryni and "strong" Deryni lineages, and untaught children of the weak
>lineages might never recognize their true heritage.
>
>As far as Jehana goes, the impression from DR is that she strongly
>suspected - or knew - her Deryni heritage, but because of her exposure
>to the teaching of the virulently anti-Deryni Abbess in her formative
>years, always thought deryni-ness was the ultimate in evil ... and
>thus tried to hide/deny it even to herself.
>
>Brom
>
>On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:16:10 -0400, Julianne Toomey-Kautz
><JulianneTK DeleteThis @Kautzlaw.com> wrote:
>
>>The first thought that sprang to my mind regarding Jehana's powers and
>>her self-knowledge or lack thereof, was this: what if her family was
>>blocked back at the time of the baptizer cult and was never unblocked?
>>If I recall correctly, memory of one's Deryniness would also be blocked.
>>It hasn't been established whether or not the blocking passes down to
>>children. Would the resultant offspring necessarily know that they were
>>Deryni, if no one ever told them? Might they not fear deep down inside
>>that there were Deryni if the abilities manifested themselves under
>>extreme stress, but never know for sure?
>>
>> And is this whole entire theory worthy of Susan, Mistress of
>>Complication?
>>***********
>>blessed be, Julianne
>


I wonder - would the Camberian Council have had anything to do to
arrange for Brion and Jehana to wed and produce Deryni-Haldane
progeny? If so, then they would have known her lineage - and also had
engaged in some genetic engineering, as it were. As there seems
not to be any indication that the CC knew what was going on here,
we can deduce that they weren't aware of Jen's Deryniness - certainly
Denis gave no signs of knowing - and if they had no idea of her talent,
then why should anyone else?

No, I think that Jehana's Deryni awakening was a shock to everyone,
including her very own self.

Cheers,

Mitch Edelman



On another (wide) tangent, I wonder whether Deryni children manifested
any overt Deryni behavior as really young children - you know, like
being aware of the little lies we all tell our children. What with KK's
writing being heavily focused on nobility, the church, and military castes,
life among the serfs and mercantile classes in Gwynned is left to
our fertile imaginations (and yes, indeed, I am working on it!!!)
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Mitch Edelman wrote:

> I wonder - would the Camberian Council have had anything to do to
> arrange for Brion and Jehana to wed and produce Deryni-Haldane
> progeny? If so, then they would have known her lineage - and also had
> engaged in some genetic engineering, as it were. As there seems
> not to be any indication that the CC knew what was going on here,
> we can deduce that they weren't aware of Jen's Deryniness - certainly
> Denis gave no signs of knowing - and if they had no idea of her talent,
> then why should anyone else?
>
> No, I think that Jehana's Deryni awakening was a shock to everyone,
> including her very own self.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mitch Edelman
>
>
>From other books, her heritage is known by the council as there is comment about her line springing from the same line that produced the dreaded Lewys ap Norfal. Have to remember that we see very little of Denis Arilan in DR or anyone from the coucil for that matter. They are referenced/ mentioned but not seen or at least we don't find out that they were there until later. Nor do we see any real action from them until High Deryni.


Prehaps the royal house of Bremagne has been deryni for a while but
kept quiet about it. Jehanna is the great grandniece to Lewys so that
is what at least 4 generations and probably longer. DR seems to point
that Jehanna did not know for sure that she was deryni- that she only
suspected she was. Doesn't go into depth on why she suspected.

jerry
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