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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:40 am
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Just to confirm, Gladia killed her husband, right?

If so, then one question is not addressed: How in fact did she get so close
to him so as to reach him?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:40 am
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 > Just to confirm, Gladia killed her husband, right?
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 > to him so as to reach him?
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The novel made clear that Gladia was able to "see" her husband, at least
for short periods of time, and that she was the only person that he
could see. He was murdered on the day that they arranged to see each
other, so the fact that she might have been able to get within two arms'
reach of him that day was established. Her initial story, in which he
left for the lab, and she later came running and found him dead, could
not have been true, but the exact details of what transpired were not
made known. Presumably, their argument either took place entirely within
the lab, or began elsewhere and progressed into the lab.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:40 am
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In article <DELETEejseiler-9A5849.06070814032005.DeleteThis@news1.east.earthlink.net>, Edward Seiler <DELETEejseiler.DeleteThis@earthlink.netuppercase> wrote:
: In article <SsYXd.56422$7z6.8065@lakeread04>,
: "Isadore" <isadore.DeleteThis@NOSPAMcox.net> wrote:
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:> Just to confirm, Gladia killed her husband, right?
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:> to him so as to reach him?

: The novel made clear that Gladia was able to "see" her husband, at least
: for short periods of time, and that she was the only person that he
: could see. He was murdered on the day that they arranged to see each
: other, so the fact that she might have been able to get within two arms'
: reach of him that day was established. Her initial story, in which he
: left for the lab, and she later came running and found him dead, could
: not have been true, but the exact details of what transpired were not
: made known. Presumably, their argument either took place entirely within
: the lab, or began elsewhere and progressed into the lab.

While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
had never heard of artificial insemination.

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Richard Schultz schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:40 am
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr.RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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 > In article
<DELETEejseiler-9A5849.06070814032005.RemoveThis@news1.east.earthlink.net>, Edward
Seiler <DELETEejseiler.RemoveThis@earthlink.netuppercase> wrote:
 > : In article <SsYXd.56422$7z6.8065@lakeread04>,
 > : "Isadore" <isadore.RemoveThis@NOSPAMcox.net> wrote:
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 > :> Just to confirm, Gladia killed her husband, right?
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 > :> to him so as to reach him?
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 > : The novel made clear that Gladia was able to "see" her husband, at least
 > : for short periods of time, and that she was the only person that he
 > : could see. He was murdered on the day that they arranged to see each
 > : other, so the fact that she might have been able to get within two arms'
 > : reach of him that day was established. Her initial story, in which he
 > : left for the lab, and she later came running and found him dead, could
 > : not have been true, but the exact details of what transpired were not
 > : made known. Presumably, their argument either took place entirely within
 > : the lab, or began elsewhere and progressed into the lab.
 >
 > While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
 > are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
 > had never heard of artificial insemination.
 >
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It's amazing how a story's plot can be made obsolete like that.

Those wishing to be "trekkies" about it can presume that AI technology was
forgotten between now and the Spacer Age.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:40 pm
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In article <8SAZd.63410$7z6.5558@lakeread04>, Isadore <isadore RemoveThis @nospamcox.net> wrote:
: "Richard Schultz" <schultr RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
: news:d15s7e$lcl$1@news.iucc.ac.il...

:> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
:> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
:> had never heard of artificial insemination.

: It's amazing how a story's plot can be made obsolete like that.

Made obsolete by a technique first practiced in the 18th century?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:40 pm
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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 > In article <8SAZd.63410$7z6.5558@lakeread04>, Isadore
<isadore RemoveThis @nospamcox.net> wrote:
 > : "Richard Schultz" <schultr RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
 > : news:d15s7e$lcl$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
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 > :> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people
who
 > :> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
 > :> had never heard of artificial insemination.
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 > : It's amazing how a story's plot can be made obsolete like that.
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 > Made obsolete by a technique first practiced in the 18th century?
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REALLY? I never heard of that. I thought AI was something from the 70's.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:40 am
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In article <UvJZd.63720$7z6.9367@lakeread04>, Isadore <isadore RemoveThis @nospamcox.net> wrote:

:> :> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people
:> :> who are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people
:> :> of Solaria had never heard of artificial insemination.

:> : It's amazing how a story's plot can be made obsolete like that.

:> Made obsolete by a technique first practiced in the 18th century?

: REALLY? I never heard of that. I thought AI was something from the 70's.
: Live and learn...

I think that you're thinking of in-vitro fertilization (IVF), in which an
ovum is fertilized outside of the woman's body and the resulting fertilized
ovum then implanted in her uterus. Artificial insemination is just the
introduction of sperm without actual copulation, and has been used, at
least on animals, since 1784 (cf. www.asas.org/symposia/esupp2/Footehist.pdf).

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:43 am
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Edward Seiler wrote:

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> The novel made clear that Gladia was able to "see" her husband, at least
> for short periods of time, and that she was the only person that he
> could see. He was murdered on the day that they arranged to see each
> other, so the fact that she might have been able to get within two arms'
> reach of him that day was established. Her initial story, in which he
> left for the lab, and she later came running and found him dead, could
> not have been true, but the exact details of what transpired were not
> made known. Presumably, their argument either took place entirely within
> the lab, or began elsewhere and progressed into the lab.

Gladia got so angry that she clobbered her husband with the arm of a robot without
remembering having done so!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:44 am
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Richard Schultz wrote:

> In article <DELETEejseiler-9A5849.06070814032005.DeleteThis@news1.east.earthlink.net>, Edward Seiler <DELETEejseiler.DeleteThis@earthlink.netuppercase> wrote:
> : In article <SsYXd.56422$7z6.8065@lakeread04>,
> : "Isadore" <isadore.DeleteThis@NOSPAMcox.net> wrote:
> :
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> :>
> :> If so, then one question is not addressed: How in fact did she get so close
> :> to him so as to reach him?
>
> : The novel made clear that Gladia was able to "see" her husband, at least
> : for short periods of time, and that she was the only person that he
> : could see. He was murdered on the day that they arranged to see each
> : other, so the fact that she might have been able to get within two arms'
> : reach of him that day was established. Her initial story, in which he
> : left for the lab, and she later came running and found him dead, could
> : not have been true, but the exact details of what transpired were not
> : made known. Presumably, their argument either took place entirely within
> : the lab, or began elsewhere and progressed into the lab.
>
> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
> had never heard of artificial insemination.

That has crossed my mind also.

The people of Solaria did eventually turn themselves into hermaphrodites, able to reproduce without help from a partner.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:25 am
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In article <48F9BE0A.DED944BE.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

:> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
:> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
:> had never heard of artificial insemination.

: That has crossed my mind also.

Since my comment was posted three and a half years before your reply, all
that I can say is that thoughts seem to make their way across your brain
very. . . very. . . very. . . slowly.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:31 am
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Richard Schultz wrote:

> In article <48F9BE0A.DED944BE.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> :> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people who
> :> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of Solaria
> :> had never heard of artificial insemination.
>
> : That has crossed my mind also.
>
> Since my comment was posted three and a half years before your reply, all
> that I can say is that thoughts seem to make their way across your brain
> very. . . very. . . very. . . slowly.

I just found your comment!
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:50 pm
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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> Richard Schultz wrote:
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>> In article <48F9BE0A.DED944BE DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening
>> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> :> While I think that _The Naked Sun_ may be Asimov's best novel, people
>> who
>> :> are picky about plot consistency might wonder why the people of
>> Solaria
>> :> had never heard of artificial insemination.
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>> : That has crossed my mind also.
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>> Since my comment was posted three and a half years before your reply, all
>> that I can say is that thoughts seem to make their way across your brain
>> very. . . very. . . very. . . slowly.
>
> I just found your comment!
>

Does Tim remind anyone else of the Mailman from _True_Names_???

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:35 am
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> >> Since my comment was posted three and a half years before your reply, all
> >> that I can say is that thoughts seem to make their way across your brain
> >> very. . . very. . . very. . . slowly.
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> > I just found your comment!
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> Does Tim remind anyone else of the Mailman from _True_Names_???

now that you mention it... yes!
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