Does storm get affected by her own weather conditions?

In message <40890fdf DeleteThis @news.comindico.com.au>, Nathan P. Mahney
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 >In the case of the blizzard Storm would not get cold. She would
 >actually get hot, as X-Men Unlimited vol. 1 #1 establishes that Storm's
 >body temperature compensates for her surroundings.

Which doesn't actually make sense, because if she gets HOT, she's
overshot the mark.

Lobdell was trying to put a little more flesh on some prior claims that
Storm is "immune to weather", which, as he points out, is almost
meaningless - would that mean that she could stand in a downpour and not
get wet (even without actively using her powers to dispel the rain)? And
why should she be able to compensate for naturally low temperatures, but
not when she's standing in a deep freeze, for that matter?

His explanation boils down to saying that her body compensates for
weather conditions, but that evidently that only holds true up to a
point - in particularly extreme conditions, she can't compensate.
Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
meteorological phenomena.

So her powers are probably best described as substantial resistance to
weather conditions, but not outright immunity.

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 > Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
 > weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
 > meteorological phenomena.

Storm has been shown to use her ability to perceive the world as
energy patterns for things other than weather related phenomena (see
Xtreme X-Men issues where Storm is heald captive by Khan) so it opens
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ChuckLesnar420 wrote:
 > For example if she creates a blizzard, does she get cold as well?

Nope. She can even sence disturbances in the air, thus not being blinded
by blizzards, fog, etc.
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In article <epTNS+Bj5RiAFwbl@esoterica.demon.co.uk>, Paul
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 >In message <40890fdf.TakeThisOut@news.comindico.com.au>, Nathan P. Mahney
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  >>
  >>In the case of the blizzard Storm would not get cold. She would
  >>actually get hot, as X-Men Unlimited vol. 1 #1 establishes that Storm's
  >>body temperature compensates for her surroundings.
 >
 >Which doesn't actually make sense, because if she gets HOT, she's
 >overshot the mark.
 >
 >Lobdell was trying to put a little more flesh on some prior claims that
 >Storm is "immune to weather", which, as he points out, is almost
 >meaningless - would that mean that she could stand in a downpour and
 >not
 >get wet (even without actively using her powers to dispel the rain)? And
 >why should she be able to compensate for naturally low temperatures,
 >but
 >not when she's standing in a deep freeze, for that matter?
 >
 >His explanation boils down to saying that her body compensates for
 >weather conditions, but that evidently that only holds true up to a
 >point - in particularly extreme conditions, she can't compensate.
 >Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
 >weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
 >meteorological phenomena.
 >
 >So her powers are probably best described as substantial resistance to
 >weather conditions, but not outright immunity.

Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism,
so they don't feel heat or cold so strongly? They're like Harry
Potter wizards; tough. I recall an early New Mutants story, where
IIRC Mirage and not-yet-Magma had been drugged by Selene, and
Mirage, waking up first, decided her mutant metabolism had
thrown it off more quickly... okay, Magma is a mutant too, whatever.

But it accounts for why some girl mutants can wear very brief
costumes and not catch cold...

(Although next issue or two, Magma came down with sunstroke,
so maybe you need the costume made of unstable molecules,
/then/ you're weatherproof.)

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"ChuckLesnar420" <dudeski_duderino.RemoveThis@SPONAMhotmail.com> wrote in
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 > For example if she creates a blizzard, does she get cold as well?

No. There was a time when she was, after her first prolonged trip into
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In message <MSdYYEAroZiAFw6N RemoveThis @redjac.demon.co.uk>, Robert Carnegie
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 >Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism, so they
 >don't feel heat or cold so strongly?

They were toying with this idea in the early eighties, yeah. It seemed
to be intended primarily as an explanation for how characters could heal
rapidly between stories, even though they didn't heal rapidly enough for
it to make much of a difference within any given story.

But yes, there's some evidence to suggest that mutants are just
generally stronger and more resilient - perhaps because, for the most
part, their bodies have to be able to handle the levels of energy that
they're channelling.

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 > "ChuckLesnar420" <dudeski_duderino.DeleteThis@SPONAMhotmail.com> wrote in
 > news:jV7ic.383$rf3.1@pathologist.blueyonder.net:
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  > > For example if she creates a blizzard, does she get cold as well?
 >
 > No. There was a time when she was, after her first prolonged trip into
 > outer space, but otherwise she's always been immune to the effects of
 > extreme heat and cold.

When she was powerless, she commented to Nightcrawler after a swim that she
was not used to feeling cold.

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Paul O'Brien <paul.TakeThisOut@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > In message <MSdYYEAroZiAFw6N.TakeThisOut@redjac.demon.co.uk>, Robert Carnegie
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  > >
  > >Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism, so they
  > >don't feel heat or cold so strongly?
 >
 > They were toying with this idea in the early eighties, yeah. It seemed
 > to be intended primarily as an explanation for how characters could heal
 > rapidly between stories, even though they didn't heal rapidly enough for
 > it to make much of a difference within any given story.
 >
 > But yes, there's some evidence to suggest that mutants are just
 > generally stronger and more resilient - perhaps because, for the most
 > part, their bodies have to be able to handle the levels of energy that
 > they're channelling.
 >

Even the old Marvel Super-Heroes RPG supports this, with mutant characters
receiving a bonus to their Endurance scores.

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:52:31 GMT, "Nathan P. Mahney"
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 >Paul O'Brien <paul RemoveThis @SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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  >> In message <MSdYYEAroZiAFw6N RemoveThis @redjac.demon.co.uk>, Robert Carnegie
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   >> >Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism, so they
   >> >don't feel heat or cold so strongly?

  >> They were toying with this idea in the early eighties, yeah. It seemed
  >> to be intended primarily as an explanation for how characters could heal
  >> rapidly between stories, even though they didn't heal rapidly enough for
  >> it to make much of a difference within any given story.

  >> But yes, there's some evidence to suggest that mutants are just
  >> generally stronger and more resilient - perhaps because, for the most
  >> part, their bodies have to be able to handle the levels of energy that
  >> they're channelling.

 >Even the old Marvel Super-Heroes RPG supports this, with mutant characters
 >receiving a bonus to their Endurance scores.

Don't remember if it's canonical from my recent reading of the
Essential Uncanny X-Men, but it's certainly established as far back as
the original team's visit underground to the Mole Man and Tyrannus
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
   >>> In the case of the blizzard Storm would not get cold. She would
   >>> actually get hot, as X-Men Unlimited vol. 1 #1 establishes that Storm's
   >>> body temperature compensates for her surroundings.
  >>
  >> Which doesn't actually make sense, because if she gets HOT, she's
  >> overshot the mark.
  >>
  >> Lobdell was trying to put a little more flesh on some prior claims that
  >> Storm is "immune to weather", which, as he points out, is almost
  >> meaningless - would that mean that she could stand in a downpour and
  >> not get wet (even without actively using her powers to dispel the rain)? And

  >> why should she be able to compensate for naturally low temperatures,
  >> but not when she's standing in a deep freeze, for that matter?
  >>
  >> His explanation boils down to saying that her body compensates for
  >> weather conditions, but that evidently that only holds true up to a
  >> point - in particularly extreme conditions, she can't compensate.
  >> Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
  >> weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
  >> meteorological phenomena.
  >>
  >> So her powers are probably best described as substantial resistance to
  >> weather conditions, but not outright immunity.
 >
 > Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism,
 > so they don't feel heat or cold so strongly? They're like Harry
 > Potter wizards; tough. I recall an early New Mutants story, where
 > IIRC Mirage and not-yet-Magma had been drugged by Selene, and
 > Mirage, waking up first, decided her mutant metabolism had
 > thrown it off more quickly... okay, Magma is a mutant too, whatever.
 >
 > But it accounts for why some girl mutants can wear very brief
 > costumes and not catch cold...

While it's true that mutants are supposed to have a superior metabolism, I
don't think that necessarily translates into feeling temperature extremes
more strongly, nor would this necessarily account for a higher resistance
to disease.

The feeling of temperature extremes occurs when certain cells in the body
reach a certain temperature and produce certain proteins that register
stimuli in nerve cells (so far, we've detected one that responds to
temperatures below 77 degrees F and another that responds to temperatures
below 59 degrees F). However, because different people have different body
structures and chemistries, this doesn't necessarily relate to the ambient
temperature of the air around them. Some people are more insulated (either
physically or chemically).

Resistance to disease has even more influences. Just because a person feels
cold doesn't mean the person will succumb to viruses and bacteria easily.
However, stress (emotional and physical) can throw the defense mechanisms
out of whack. Shivering when you're cold is a sign that the body is undergoing
an unsafe physical stress. Mutants certainly lead stressful lives (both
physically
and emotionally), so maybe at least part of what accounts for their increased
immunity is a higher threshhold for stress.
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 >Robert Carnegie wrote:
   >>>> In the case of the blizzard Storm would not get cold. She would
   >>>> actually get hot, as X-Men Unlimited vol. 1 #1 establishes that
 >Storm's
   >>>> body temperature compensates for her surroundings.
   >>>
   >>> Which doesn't actually make sense, because if she gets HOT, she's
   >>> overshot the mark.
   >>>
   >>> Lobdell was trying to put a little more flesh on some prior claims that
   >>> Storm is "immune to weather", which, as he points out, is almost
   >>> meaningless - would that mean that she could stand in a downpour
 >and
   >>> not get wet (even without actively using her powers to dispel the rain)?
 >And
 >
   >>> why should she be able to compensate for naturally low temperatures,
   >>> but not when she's standing in a deep freeze, for that matter?
   >>>
   >>> His explanation boils down to saying that her body compensates for
   >>> weather conditions, but that evidently that only holds true up to a
   >>> point - in particularly extreme conditions, she can't compensate.
   >>> Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
   >>> weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
   >>> meteorological phenomena.
   >>>
   >>> So her powers are probably best described as substantial resistance
 >to
   >>> weather conditions, but not outright immunity.
  >>
  >> Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism,
  >> so they don't feel heat or cold so strongly? They're like Harry
  >> Potter wizards; tough. I recall an early New Mutants story, where
  >> IIRC Mirage and not-yet-Magma had been drugged by Selene, and
  >> Mirage, waking up first, decided her mutant metabolism had
  >> thrown it off more quickly... okay, Magma is a mutant too, whatever.
  >>
  >> But it accounts for why some girl mutants can wear very brief
  >> costumes and not catch cold...
 >
 >While it's true that mutants are supposed to have a superior metabolism,
 >I
 >don't think that necessarily translates into feeling temperature extremes
 >more strongly, nor would this necessarily account for a higher resistance
 >to disease.
 >
 >The feeling of temperature extremes occurs when certain cells in
 >the body reach a certain temperature and produce certain
 >proteins that register stimuli in nerve cells (so far, we've detected
 >one that responds to temperatures below 77 degrees F and
 >another that responds to temperatures below 59 degrees F).
 >However, because different people have different body
 >structures and chemistries, this doesn't necessarily relate to the
 >ambient temperature of the air around them. Some people are
 >more insulated (either physically or chemically).
 >
 >Resistance to disease has even more influences. Just because
 >a person feels cold doesn't mean the person will succumb to
 >viruses and bacteria easily. However, stress (emotional and
 >physical) can throw the defense mechanisms out of whack.
 >Shivering when you're cold is a sign that the body is undergoing
 >an unsafe physical stress. Mutants certainly lead stressful lives
 >(both physically and emotionally), so maybe at least part of what
 >accounts for their increased immunity is a higher threshhold for
 >stress.

Shivering is muscles running in place to generate heat, right?
Sometimes, at least.

An active mutant in the comics probably does have that metabolic
difference, both because we're told about others besides Storm
that they don't feel cold or heat as much as regular humans, when
that isn't particularly connected to their superpower, so maybe
they just have a faster heartbeat and circulation, their blood
maintains their outer tissue at closer to core temperature of,
traditionally, 98.6, maybe more for mutants - and also... no, wait,
this is only my private theory which I pitch regularly - that the
genetic X-Factor which Marvel mutants all have in common is a
new way to store and process energy biologically, which is
expressed in all of the different mutant powers we actually see,
including brain-based powers.

I'm pretty sure I saw one new comic recently where certain
characters were detected on infra-red camera because they had a
higher body heat. Anyone remember that? Might not even have
been Marvel...

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Robert Carnegie wrote:
   >>>>> In the case of the blizzard Storm would not get cold. She would
   >>>>> actually get hot, as X-Men Unlimited vol. 1 #1 establishes that
   >>>>> Storm's body temperature compensates for her surroundings.
   >>>>
   >>>> Which doesn't actually make sense, because if she gets HOT, she's
   >>>> overshot the mark.
   >>>>
   >>>> Lobdell was trying to put a little more flesh on some prior claims that
   >>>> Storm is "immune to weather", which, as he points out, is almost
   >>>> meaningless - would that mean that she could stand in a downpour
   >>>> and not get wet (even without actively using her powers to dispel the
rain)?
   >>>> And why should she be able to compensate for naturally low temperatures,
   >>>> but not when she's standing in a deep freeze, for that matter?
   >>>>
   >>>> His explanation boils down to saying that her body compensates for
   >>>> weather conditions, but that evidently that only holds true up to a
   >>>> point - in particularly extreme conditions, she can't compensate.
   >>>> Presumably this power is somehow linked to her ability to perceive
   >>>> weather conditions as energy patterns, which is why it only kicks in for
   >>>> meteorological phenomena.
   >>>>
   >>>> So her powers are probably best described as substantial resistance
   >>>> to weather conditions, but not outright immunity.
   >>>
   >>> Aren't most mutants supposed to have "superior" metabolism,
   >>> so they don't feel heat or cold so strongly? They're like Harry
   >>> Potter wizards; tough. I recall an early New Mutants story, where
   >>> IIRC Mirage and not-yet-Magma had been drugged by Selene, and
   >>> Mirage, waking up first, decided her mutant metabolism had
   >>> thrown it off more quickly... okay, Magma is a mutant too, whatever.
   >>>
   >>> But it accounts for why some girl mutants can wear very brief
   >>> costumes and not catch cold...
  >>
  >> While it's true that mutants are supposed to have a superior metabolism,
  >> I don't think that necessarily translates into feeling temperature extremes
  >> more strongly, nor would this necessarily account for a higher resistance
  >> to disease.
  >>
  >> The feeling of temperature extremes occurs when certain cells in
  >> the body reach a certain temperature and produce certain
  >> proteins that register stimuli in nerve cells (so far, we've detected
  >> one that responds to temperatures below 77 degrees F and
  >> another that responds to temperatures below 59 degrees F).
  >> However, because different people have different body
  >> structures and chemistries, this doesn't necessarily relate to the
  >> ambient temperature of the air around them. Some people are
  >> more insulated (either physically or chemically).
  >>
  >> Resistance to disease has even more influences. Just because
  >> a person feels cold doesn't mean the person will succumb to
  >> viruses and bacteria easily. However, stress (emotional and
  >> physical) can throw the defense mechanisms out of whack.
  >> Shivering when you're cold is a sign that the body is undergoing
  >> an unsafe physical stress. Mutants certainly lead stressful lives
  >> (both physically and emotionally), so maybe at least part of what
  >> accounts for their increased immunity is a higher threshhold for
  >> stress.
 >
 > Shivering is muscles running in place to generate heat, right?
 > Sometimes, at least.

Well, yes, but it's because your body is showing the first signs of shock.

 > An active mutant in the comics probably does have that metabolic
 > difference, both because we're told about others besides Storm
 > that they don't feel cold or heat as much as regular humans, when
 > that isn't particularly connected to their superpower

Aside from those mutants whose power would require this, who else has
this ability? Most mutants seem to be fairly normal in this regard.
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
 > But it accounts for why some girl mutants can wear very brief
 > costumes and not catch cold...

I know some girls who have that power. They wear short skits with just pantyhose on, in
freezing temepratures at night, and say they are not cold.

They LIE! I can see their nips!!
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