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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:29 pm
Post subject: A substitute for Un-du?
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Throughout my involvement with old and used books I've been told that
Un-du is the best all-around product for removing shelving labels and
similar junk.
I recently decided that the time had come to buy some, but I couldn't
find it. Finally I called the manufacturer and learned that it has
been withdrawn from the market due to environmental regulations.
Now what? Is there another product I cam try on a label that Bestine
and alcohol just won't remove? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:23 pm
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:06:10 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker DeleteThis @prodigyyy.net> wrote:
>Lighter fluid?... I've used nothing else, for years. Let it soak into
>the label for a few seconds, then left the label.
Thank you... you sound experienced, so perhaps you can help me
brainstorm this.
The labels that give me the most trouble have a layer of metal foil
between the paper and the adhesive. I think they're meant to trigger
alarms if someone tries to sneak a book out of the library. Soaking
the label doesn't work, because the foil is solvent-proof.
With these labels I get the best results by soaking a cotton swab in
solvent and running it along the line of separation as I peel the
label back. This works well if the solvent dissolves the adhesive
effectively, but Bestine isn't very effective with the adhesive on
most of these labels, and alcohol doesn't work at all.
>Here's the MSDS for Un-Du, so you can find a similar product:...
That's informative, but discouraging -- it says that the stuff is
90-100% heptane, which is the primary ingredient of... Bestine.
I think I'd better try your lighter fluid suggestion. I found
references that say the composition of lighter fluid is variable,
though, so different brands may well produce different results. What
brand have you found to work well? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:06 pm
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"Jonathan Sachs" <js070717 RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Throughout my involvement with old and used books I've been told that
> Un-du is the best all-around product for removing shelving labels and
> similar junk.
>
> I recently decided that the time had come to buy some, but I couldn't
> find it. Finally I called the manufacturer and learned that it has
> been withdrawn from the market due to environmental regulations.
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> Now what? Is there another product I cam try on a label that Bestine
> and alcohol just won't remove?
Lighter fluid?
I've used nothing else, for years. Let it soak into the label for a few
seconds, then left the label. If there's any residue, put a couple drops
on a soft tissue (NOT a cotton ball) and dab carefully.
I see someone claiming that Un-Du is the same thing as "Grip Solvent" used
on golf clubs.
Here's the MSDS for Un-Du, so you can find a similar product:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:EIJDgGedaOkJ:www.leeproducts.com/0...2-00003
Kris >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:35 am
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"Jonathan Sachs" <js070717.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:06:10 GMT, "Kris Baker"
> <kris.baker.RemoveThis@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
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>>Lighter fluid?... I've used nothing else, for years. Let it soak into
>>the label for a few seconds, then left the label.
>
> Thank you... you sound experienced, so perhaps you can help me
> brainstorm this.
>
> The labels that give me the most trouble have a layer of metal foil
> between the paper and the adhesive. I think they're meant to trigger
> alarms if someone tries to sneak a book out of the library. Soaking
> the label doesn't work, because the foil is solvent-proof.
>
> With these labels I get the best results by soaking a cotton swab in
> solvent and running it along the line of separation as I peel the
> label back. This works well if the solvent dissolves the adhesive
> effectively, but Bestine isn't very effective with the adhesive on
> most of these labels, and alcohol doesn't work at all.
>
>>Here's the MSDS for Un-Du, so you can find a similar product:...
>
> That's informative, but discouraging -- it says that the stuff is
> 90-100% heptane, which is the primary ingredient of... Bestine.
>
> I think I'd better try your lighter fluid suggestion. I found
> references that say the composition of lighter fluid is variable,
> though, so different brands may well produce different results. What
> brand have you found to work well?
Ronson, in the yellow plastic bottle. Mostly naptha and petroleum
distillates. Something else you might try is Thoro, available in the
cleaning sections of grocery stores. It's the same as dry cleaning fluid,
a bit like the Ronsonol.....but has different solvent properties.
Goo-Gone's got coloring in it, so avoid that. If you read the MSDS for it
and lighter fluid, you'll get a big surprise.
Those labels you're fighting are about the toughest things going. As long
as you can carefully peel slowly, the Ronsonol should lift them.
Kris >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:55 pm
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On Sep 26, 11:35 pm, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba... DeleteThis @prodigyyy.net> wrote:
> "Jonathan Sachs" <js070... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:06:10 GMT, "Kris Baker"
> > <kris.ba... DeleteThis @prodigyyy.net> wrote:
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> >>Lighter fluid?... I've used nothing else, for years. Let it soak into
> >>the label for a few seconds, then left the label.
>
> > Thank you... you sound experienced, so perhaps you can help me
> > brainstorm this.
>
> > The labels that give me the most trouble have a layer of metal foil
> > between the paper and the adhesive. I think they're meant to trigger
> > alarms if someone tries to sneak a book out of the library. Soaking
> > the label doesn't work, because the foil is solvent-proof.
>
> > With these labels I get the best results by soaking a cotton swab in
> > solvent and running it along the line of separation as I peel the
> > label back. This works well if the solvent dissolves the adhesive
> > effectively, but Bestine isn't very effective with the adhesive on
> > most of these labels, and alcohol doesn't work at all.
>
> >>Here's the MSDS for Un-Du, so you can find a similar product:...
>
> > That's informative, but discouraging -- it says that the stuff is
> > 90-100% heptane, which is the primary ingredient of... Bestine.
>
> > I think I'd better try your lighter fluid suggestion. I found
> > references that say the composition of lighter fluid is variable,
> > though, so different brands may well produce different results. What
> > brand have you found to work well?
>
> Ronson, in the yellow plastic bottle. Mostly naptha and petroleum
> distillates. Something else you might try is Thoro, available in the
> cleaning sections of grocery stores. It's the same as dry cleaning fluid,
> a bit like the Ronsonol.....but has different solvent properties.
> Goo-Gone's got coloring in it, so avoid that. If you read the MSDS for it
> and lighter fluid, you'll get a big surprise.
>
> Those labels you're fighting are about the toughest things going. As long
> as you can carefully peel slowly, the Ronsonol should lift them.
>
> Kris- Hide quoted text -
Plus Kris prefers the piquant headiness of the Ronsonol over the
citrus overkill of Goo Gone. >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:13 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:45 pm
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"RS" <paramindsoftware.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Many labels can be removed by using an iron on a warm-to-hot setting
> and letting the adhesive get warm enough until it loosens.
And then you use a solvent to get rid of the residue? >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:36 pm
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"RS" <paramindsoftware.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote
> Many labels can be removed by using an iron on a warm-to-hot setting
> and letting the adhesive get warm enough until it loosens.
I've heard of this method but have not had the nerve to try it yet.
If I use it successfully on ten disposable books, what are the chances
that it will fail disasterously the first time I try it on a valuable
one... or the second time, or the third...?
Seriously, any guidance on what constitutes "warm-to-hot"? My iron is
marked "Low, Syn, Steam, Wool, Cot, Lin, Hi. >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:45 pm
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"Jonathan Sachs" <js070717 RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "RS" <paramindsoftware RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote
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>> Many labels can be removed by using an iron on a warm-to-hot setting
>> and letting the adhesive get warm enough until it loosens.
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> I've heard of this method but have not had the nerve to try it yet.
> If I use it successfully on ten disposable books, what are the chances
> that it will fail disasterously the first time I try it on a valuable
> one... or the second time, or the third...?
>
> Seriously, any guidance on what constitutes "warm-to-hot"? My iron is
> marked "Low, Syn, Steam, Wool, Cot, Lin, Hi.
Murphy's Law still exists; I wouldn't apply heat directly
to any paper item.
But I give you points for being able to remember what
your iron's markings are.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:45 pm
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:35:04 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker RemoveThis @prodigyyy.net> wrote:
>Ronson, in the yellow plastic bottle. Mostly naptha and petroleum
>distillates. Something else you might try is Thoro...
I haven't found Thoro yet, but I got some Ronson lighter fluid
yesterday, and it works VERY nicely on those foil labels. It seems to
dissolve the coloring on some covers more aggressively than Bestine
does, though. No obvious damage to the books, but the paper towel
ended up red. >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:45 pm
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"Jonathan Sachs" <js070717.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:35:04 GMT, "Kris Baker"
> <kris.baker.DeleteThis@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
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>>Ronson, in the yellow plastic bottle. Mostly naptha and petroleum
>>distillates. Something else you might try is Thoro...
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> I haven't found Thoro yet, but I got some Ronson lighter fluid
> yesterday, and it works VERY nicely on those foil labels. It seems to
> dissolve the coloring on some covers more aggressively than Bestine
> does, though. No obvious damage to the books, but the paper towel
> ended up red.
I usually dab carefully with a really soft tissue or a Viva paper
towel.
The Thoro *should* be on the top shelf in the cleaning products
area of the grocery store. It's a clear liquid, also. It's up there
with the other things that aren't safe for kids.....and if I find out
it's not sold anymore (it IS a hazardous substance!) I'll be
PO'd that I didn't buy an extra. One lasts for years, though.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:11 pm
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The iron trick isn't always safe. You have to make
sure it's never very hot or paper will burn or plastic
will melt. I have no idea what the temperature is but
it doesn't have to be very hot. The reason why I like
this is because it avoids having to deal with lighter
fluid, because of the toxicity of it. But some things
only lighter fluid will get off. I use both for different
things.
--
Robert Pearson
ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net
Creative Virtue Press/Telical Books/Regenerative Music
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:56 am
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The iron trick isn't always safe. You have to make
sure it's never very hot or paper will burn or plastic
will melt. I have no idea what the temperature is but
it doesn't have to be very hot. The reason why I like
this is because it avoids having to deal with lighter
fluid, because of the toxicity of it. But some things
only lighter fluid will get off. I use both for different
things.
--
Robert Pearson
ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net
Creative Virtue Press/Telical Books/Regenerative Music
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:05 am
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I don't remember which lighter fuel I used to have, but when I went to
look for it a week or so ago, I discovered that I must have finished
the tin and thrown the empty away. You wouldn't believe how many
places I had to go to get a fresh bottle of Ronsonol. (After all, who
uses a liquid-filled lighter any more?) Happily, since I use it so
seldom, this will last me for a few more years... >> Stay informed about: A substitute for Un-du? |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:19 pm
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On Sep 26, 8:35 pm, "Kris Baker" <kris.ba....DeleteThis@prodigyyy.net> wrote:
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> Ronson, in the yellow plastic bottle. Mostly naptha and petroleum
> distillates. Something else you might try is Thoro, available in the
> cleaning sections of grocery stores. It's the same as dry cleaning fluid,
> a bit like the Ronsonol.....but has different solvent properties.
> Goo-Gone's got coloring in it, so avoid that. If you read the MSDS for it
> and lighter fluid, you'll get a big surprise.
....
I just get naptha at the hardware store - a half gallon costs just
a little bit more than a 12 ounce bottle of Ronsonol. I refill my
bottles (plus the bottles of some friends).
A related question - does anyone have a way to remove
masking tape (and some book plates that seem to use
a similar adhesive)? None of the usual solvents seem
to work. [this was discussed a long time ago, but I don't
think any good solutions were presented.]
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