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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:25 am
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Stop right there if you haven't read DT VII yet. I'm going to freely
discuss the ending of the entire DT series in this post so if you
haven't read it then STOP and don't read any further.
Scroll down otherwise....
After more than 15 years of reading the Dark Tower books, I finally had
time to finish reading it. I had to delay reading the final book
because of demands on my time, but I finally reached the ending
tonight.
I have to say that, at first, I was a little disappointed at the idea
that Roland would simply emerge through the top of the Tower back to
the start of his quest, but the more I considered it in context, the
more I started to understand what I was really witnessing and the more
I am stunned by the awesome scale of it. I don't know if King meant it
the way I'm taking it, but I hope so. I can't think of any other
interpretation that either doesn't make sense or is a massive
disappointment.
The context explains the ending--all the parallel worlds, all similar,
but slightly different, slightly different histories, characters,
futures, settings, cities, etc. At the end, Roland didn't emerge into
the beginning of the same place and time when we first met him in book
I, but rather a new world, a parallel place. He's no longer the Roland
we knew, but a slightly different one, a new similiar Roland for this
new similar world where the beams are under attack and need to be
saved. We haven't been here before. We've seen something similar.
There is no room at the top of the tower. That door leads into the next
world.
Roland's quest stretches beyond merely one world, but across all of
them. For each of them, he must become Roland again retrace this quest,
draw others from parallel worlds to help him (he will never draw Jake,
Eddie and Sussanah again, but others), defeat the horrors of these
other worlds, take down the representation of the Crimson King and his
minions in those worlds, protect any "creators" attached to these
worlds, remove the threats to the beams, and must climb the tower at
the end to shed his old self and be reborn into the next iteration of
his persona.
In a sense, the Dark Tower is basically a stairway into other worlds
that Roland climbs once he has cleaned things up. That's why he can't
take those he draws with him. Nobody can go with him.
To some degree, it's almost worth considering whether Roland is a human
or some kind of demi-god. Clearly, someone who spends his existence
moving from world to world to fix them when they have fallen into ruin
is something beyond merely human.
Anyway, just my thoughts here a couple hours after finishing the
series. I might post again later, but for now, this is more than
enough to chew on. I'm quite thrilled with what at first seemed to be a
rather mundane (if not cliched) circular ending. Because of the
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:52 am
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> time to finish reading it. I had to delay reading the final book
> because of demands on my time, but I finally reached the ending
> tonight.
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> I have to say that, at first, I was a little disappointed at the idea
> that Roland would simply emerge through the top of the Tower back to
> the start of his quest, but the more I considered it in context, the
> more I started to understand what I was really witnessing and the more
> I am stunned by the awesome scale of it. I don't know if King meant it
> the way I'm taking it, but I hope so. I can't think of any other
> interpretation that either doesn't make sense or is a massive
> disappointment.
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> The context explains the ending--all the parallel worlds, all similar,
> but slightly different, slightly different histories, characters,
> futures, settings, cities, etc. At the end, Roland didn't emerge into
> the beginning of the same place and time when we first met him in book
> I, but rather a new world, a parallel place. He's no longer the Roland
> we knew, but a slightly different one, a new similiar Roland for this
> new similar world where the beams are under attack and need to be
> saved. We haven't been here before. We've seen something similar.
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> There is no room at the top of the tower. That door leads into the next
> world.
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> Roland's quest stretches beyond merely one world, but across all of
> them. For each of them, he must become Roland again retrace this quest,
> draw others from parallel worlds to help him (he will never draw Jake,
> Eddie and Sussanah again, but others), defeat the horrors of these
> other worlds, take down the representation of the Crimson King and his
> minions in those worlds, protect any "creators" attached to these
> worlds, remove the threats to the beams, and must climb the tower at
> the end to shed his old self and be reborn into the next iteration of
> his persona.
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> In a sense, the Dark Tower is basically a stairway into other worlds
> that Roland climbs once he has cleaned things up. That's why he can't
> take those he draws with him. Nobody can go with him.
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> To some degree, it's almost worth considering whether Roland is a human
> or some kind of demi-god. Clearly, someone who spends his existence
> moving from world to world to fix them when they have fallen into ruin
> is something beyond merely human.
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> Anyway, just my thoughts here a couple hours after finishing the
> series. I might post again later, but for now, this is more than
> enough to chew on. I'm quite thrilled with what at first seemed to be a
> rather mundane (if not cliched) circular ending. Because of the
> context, I think there's much more to it than what it seems.
My thoughts on the ending change now and again. My latest theory is that
each time he returns from the top of the "physical tower", he reaches
another level of the "real tower". There's a part in book 5 when Eddie
realizes that they're on level 19 of the dark tower, so now I think that
Roland and ka-tet has finished this quest for the 19th. time--at the end of
book 7, he's embarking on the 20th. journey with the ka-tet of 20 and
(whatever year), and are on level 20 of the "real tower". Maybe the next
time the facilitator is Claudina y Inez Bachman (you know, 20 letters)?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:36 am
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zurg wrote:
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> After more than 15 years of reading the Dark Tower books, I finally had
> time to finish reading it. I had to delay reading the final book
> because of demands on my time, but I finally reached the ending
> tonight.
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> I have to say that, at first, I was a little disappointed at the idea
> that Roland would simply emerge through the top of the Tower back to
> the start of his quest, but the more I considered it in context, the
> more I started to understand what I was really witnessing and the more
> I am stunned by the awesome scale of it. I don't know if King meant it
> the way I'm taking it, but I hope so. I can't think of any other
> interpretation that either doesn't make sense or is a massive
> disappointment.
>
> The context explains the ending--all the parallel worlds, all similar,
> but slightly different, slightly different histories, characters,
> futures, settings, cities, etc. At the end, Roland didn't emerge into
> the beginning of the same place and time when we first met him in book
> I, but rather a new world, a parallel place. He's no longer the Roland
> we knew, but a slightly different one, a new similiar Roland for this
> new similar world where the beams are under attack and need to be
> saved. We haven't been here before. We've seen something similar.
>
> There is no room at the top of the tower. That door leads into the next
> world.
>
> Roland's quest stretches beyond merely one world, but across all of
> them. For each of them, he must become Roland again retrace this quest,
> draw others from parallel worlds to help him (he will never draw Jake,
> Eddie and Sussanah again, but others), defeat the horrors of these
> other worlds, take down the representation of the Crimson King and his
> minions in those worlds, protect any "creators" attached to these
> worlds, remove the threats to the beams, and must climb the tower at
> the end to shed his old self and be reborn into the next iteration of
> his persona.
>
> In a sense, the Dark Tower is basically a stairway into other worlds
> that Roland climbs once he has cleaned things up. That's why he can't
> take those he draws with him. Nobody can go with him.
>
> To some degree, it's almost worth considering whether Roland is a human
> or some kind of demi-god. Clearly, someone who spends his existence
> moving from world to world to fix them when they have fallen into ruin
> is something beyond merely human.
>
> Anyway, just my thoughts here a couple hours after finishing the
> series. I might post again later, but for now, this is more than
> enough to chew on. I'm quite thrilled with what at first seemed to be a
> rather mundane (if not cliched) circular ending. Because of the
> context, I think there's much more to it than what it seems.
To me, I loved the ending. I loved that his journey to the tower had him
learn things and become a different person than he was with Cuthbert,
Alain etc. I loved that something he did on THIS journey led him to this
time picking up the Horn and still having it as he followed Walter
across the desert.
It's the whole circular deal with each life lived will then move onto to
something better in the next life. That each lesson learned, will move
you higher and higher on the wheel of life, one day reaching Nirvana -
or Heaven or whatever is the ultimate goal. For each lesson unlearnt, we
take a step back in the next life.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:40 am
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> After more than 15 years of reading the Dark Tower books, I finally had
> time to finish reading it. I had to delay reading the final book
> because of demands on my time, but I finally reached the ending
> tonight.
>
> I have to say that, at first, I was a little disappointed at the idea
> that Roland would simply emerge through the top of the Tower back to
> the start of his quest, but the more I considered it in context, the
> more I started to understand what I was really witnessing and the more
> I am stunned by the awesome scale of it. I don't know if King meant it
> the way I'm taking it, but I hope so. I can't think of any other
> interpretation that either doesn't make sense or is a massive
> disappointment.
>
> The context explains the ending--all the parallel worlds, all similar,
> but slightly different, slightly different histories, characters,
> futures, settings, cities, etc. At the end, Roland didn't emerge into
> the beginning of the same place and time when we first met him in book
> I, but rather a new world, a parallel place. He's no longer the Roland
> we knew, but a slightly different one, a new similiar Roland for this
> new similar world where the beams are under attack and need to be
> saved. We haven't been here before. We've seen something similar.
>
> There is no room at the top of the tower. That door leads into the next
> world.
>
> Roland's quest stretches beyond merely one world, but across all of
> them. For each of them, he must become Roland again retrace this quest,
> draw others from parallel worlds to help him (he will never draw Jake,
> Eddie and Sussanah again, but others), defeat the horrors of these
> other worlds, take down the representation of the Crimson King and his
> minions in those worlds, protect any "creators" attached to these
> worlds, remove the threats to the beams, and must climb the tower at
> the end to shed his old self and be reborn into the next iteration of
> his persona.
>
> In a sense, the Dark Tower is basically a stairway into other worlds
> that Roland climbs once he has cleaned things up. That's why he can't
> take those he draws with him. Nobody can go with him.
>
> To some degree, it's almost worth considering whether Roland is a human
> or some kind of demi-god. Clearly, someone who spends his existence
> moving from world to world to fix them when they have fallen into ruin
> is something beyond merely human.
>
> Anyway, just my thoughts here a couple hours after finishing the
> series. I might post again later, but for now, this is more than
> enough to chew on. I'm quite thrilled with what at first seemed to be a
> rather mundane (if not cliched) circular ending. Because of the
> context, I think there's much more to it than what it seems.
well, I think he went to OTHER time instead of other world....because all
those who travled with Roland came from other world. so if roland can
move-in and out of other world, and that makes him demi-god, then so are
those others. we don't know if he went to beginning of the same quest, but
he has begun something. and that's where SK left us, we dont' know if we
gonna see roland meet the same charctors he met in the quest we read, but
since he is chasing the same drak man, I am guessing he will meet those
guys (or those people's counter parts) along the way. what's sad is not
roland loses people in his quest to the DT, but he has to do it again...at
least for the second time. we all lose everyone around us, soon or later,
like it or not, but one good thing about continuety of life is that we all
learn something from those losses. Roland won't. he simply forgot about
those he lost. He will love more people and will (probably) lose them, and
he has to go through all that emotional cycle again...
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:40 pm
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>>After more than 15 years of reading the Dark Tower books, I finally had
>>time to finish reading it. I had to delay reading the final book
>>because of demands on my time, but I finally reached the ending
>>tonight.
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>>I have to say that, at first, I was a little disappointed at the idea
>>that Roland would simply emerge through the top of the Tower back to
>>the start of his quest, but the more I considered it in context, the
>>more I started to understand what I was really witnessing and the more
>>I am stunned by the awesome scale of it. I don't know if King meant it
>>the way I'm taking it, but I hope so. I can't think of any other
>>interpretation that either doesn't make sense or is a massive
>>disappointment.
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>>The context explains the ending--all the parallel worlds, all similar,
>>but slightly different, slightly different histories, characters,
>>futures, settings, cities, etc. At the end, Roland didn't emerge into
>>the beginning of the same place and time when we first met him in book
>>I, but rather a new world, a parallel place. He's no longer the Roland
>>we knew, but a slightly different one, a new similiar Roland for this
>>new similar world where the beams are under attack and need to be
>>saved. We haven't been here before. We've seen something similar.
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>>There is no room at the top of the tower. That door leads into the next
>>world.
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>>Roland's quest stretches beyond merely one world, but across all of
>>them. For each of them, he must become Roland again retrace this quest,
>>draw others from parallel worlds to help him (he will never draw Jake,
>>Eddie and Sussanah again, but others), defeat the horrors of these
>>other worlds, take down the representation of the Crimson King and his
>>minions in those worlds, protect any "creators" attached to these
>>worlds, remove the threats to the beams, and must climb the tower at
>>the end to shed his old self and be reborn into the next iteration of
>>his persona.
>>
>>In a sense, the Dark Tower is basically a stairway into other worlds
>>that Roland climbs once he has cleaned things up. That's why he can't
>>take those he draws with him. Nobody can go with him.
>>
>>To some degree, it's almost worth considering whether Roland is a human
>>or some kind of demi-god. Clearly, someone who spends his existence
>>moving from world to world to fix them when they have fallen into ruin
>>is something beyond merely human.
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>>Anyway, just my thoughts here a couple hours after finishing the
>>series. I might post again later, but for now, this is more than
>>enough to chew on. I'm quite thrilled with what at first seemed to be a
>>rather mundane (if not cliched) circular ending. Because of the
>>context, I think there's much more to it than what it seems.
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> those who travled with Roland came from other world. so if roland can
> move-in and out of other world, and that makes him demi-god, then so are
> those others. we don't know if he went to beginning of the same quest, but
> he has begun something. and that's where SK left us, we dont' know if we
> gonna see roland meet the same charctors he met in the quest we read, but
> since he is chasing the same drak man, I am guessing he will meet those
> guys (or those people's counter parts) along the way. what's sad is not
> roland loses people in his quest to the DT, but he has to do it again...at
> least for the second time. we all lose everyone around us, soon or later,
> like it or not, but one good thing about continuety of life is that we all
> learn something from those losses. Roland won't. he simply forgot about
> those he lost. He will love more people and will (probably) lose them, and
> he has to go through all that emotional cycle again...
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I've almost finished the series *complete* for the second time. I will
say that THIS time I didn't cry when I read of Jake's death. The
emotional impact wasn't as raw. I have to admit that I am finding little
bits, not much, but little bits that I missed.
This whole "dandelo" deal really was made much of, as was Crimson King
and Flagg.
Still, I like the ending and even *knowing* what is going to happen at
the end, still makes for a wonderful culmination of over 20 years of
anticipation with this series. Stephen King's ego, id and superego is
amusing, I love the way he takes the piss out of himself, is
selfdepreciating, yet still with the most amazing ego around. To be
honest, he didn't need to beat us around the head with mentioning
Insomnia, that was belabouring the point in my opinion.
I still think that once a year, I will read the whole series, as I have
done with all the other novels I have of his. I won't need to go through
the compendium now *grin* as I have them all here, but still, it's
fascinating.
I also enjoy the way Stephen King writes how the story flows through
him, he is the pipe that conducts it, not the water through which flows.
The story is the water, it's a lovely similie. The off the cuff remarks
about the periods during which the Turtles song wasn't heard about
Stephen King's drinking, drug taking etc to me, aren't interesting. I
don't honestly want to know. The faceitious, selfserving references to
his other novels within THIS final novel really did annoy me too. As
were his "look how well I'm writing mumma" bits.
This time I read to really enjoy the story, and I am. Ok, so I've read
Life Expectancy over the weekend, whilst still reading DTVII, but this
time I felt I COULD take time out to read other things and still not
miss any of the story. Last time I read without a break, waiting in the
car whilst collecting kids from school, sitting at the traffic lights...
etc etc etc.
I still liked it all though.
I really liked the ending. He kept saying it throughout the series, KA
is a wheel. If it's not broke, it will always roll on and on.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:40 pm
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> To me, I loved the ending. I loved that his journey to the tower had him
> learn things and become a different person than he was with Cuthbert,
> Alain etc. I loved that something he did on THIS journey led him to this
> time picking up the Horn and still having it as he followed Walter
> across the desert.
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> It's the whole circular deal with each life lived will then move onto to
> something better in the next life. That each lesson learned, will move
> you higher and higher on the wheel of life, one day reaching Nirvana -
> or Heaven or whatever is the ultimate goal. For each lesson unlearnt, we
> take a step back in the next life.
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> Tamara
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I think you nailed it. When I finished D7 back in October I was thinking
along the same lines. I kept hearing a phrase repeated throughout most
of the books, "Ka is a wheel".
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Someone above mentions re-reading the DT series
once a year. Wow, when could you read anything
else? I too do re-read alot of SK's more interesting
works. The Stand, at least once a year. But I don't
think I could go through all 10,000(about) pages of the
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Does the tower simply want Roland to collect stuff?
When Roland reaches the tower and calls to it he says something like "I
still have the gun of my father", perhaps indicating that in the last loop
he lost it and didn't have it with him when he got to the tower. The tower
then scolds him for not picking up the horn and sends him back to the
beginning, this time with the horn still in his posession.
Will Roland's quest finally end when he approaches the tower pulling a huge
cart loaded with everything he has ever owned? Will the tower then be
satisfied?
"You have done well, gunslinger! But all this Ka wheel to-ing and fro-ing
has made me thirsty. This time bring me a diet coke. Oh, and a packet of
peanuts, there's a good lad."
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"Well done gunslinger! And now, finally, you may... wait, these are ready
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