uncollected Salinger and his ravening lawyers

In article <1194826169.889251.233530.RemoveThis@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
RF <fwdixon.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 11, 7:40 am, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bo....RemoveThis@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > We (i.e. the charity shop I work for) have been given a copy of the
> > second printing of The Complete Uncollected Stories of J.D. Salinger.
> > Fine condition. Probably worth us sending it for auction (we don't
> > do EBay for corporate reasons) - if an auction house will take it.
> > It isn't all that rare, but do bad legal things happen to people who
> > try to sell copies?
>
> Why should they?

Maybe by "copy" he means a xerox.

OP, what do you mean?

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On Nov 16, 3:49 pm, Scot Kamins <scot.kam....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1194826169.889251.233....RemoveThis@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RF <fwdi....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 7:40 am, Jack Campin - bogus address
> > <bo....RemoveThis@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > We (i.e. the charity shop I work for) have been given a copy of the
> > > second printing of The Complete Uncollected Stories of J.D. Salinger.
> > > Fine condition. Probably worth us sending it for auction (we don't
> > > do EBay for corporate reasons) - if an auction house will take it.
> > > It isn't all that rare, but do bad legal things happen to people who
> > > try to sell copies?
>
> > Why should they?
>
> Maybe by "copy" he means a xerox.

Why would he describe the condition as "fine" or say it is "not rare"
if a Xerox?
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On Nov 16, 5:49 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
<bo....TakeThisOut@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> We (i.e. the charity shop I work for) have been given a copy of the
> >>> second printing of The Complete Uncollected Stories of J.D. Salinger.
> >>> Fine condition. Probably worth us sending it for auction (we don't
> >>> do EBay for corporate reasons) - if an auction house will take it.
> >>> It isn't all that rare, but do bad legal things happen to people who
> >>> try to sell copies?
> >> Why should they?
>
> Because Salinger didn't want this material republished, ever; he
> has every legal right to prevent it; and he's a litigious SOB.

Seems to me that you are being absurd.
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In article
<0fe6c154-9ae5-4a83-a6e6-b7bcfe763382.RemoveThis@f13g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
RF <fwdixon.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Why would he describe the condition as "fine" or say it is "not rare"
> if a Xerox?

Donno, Bob. Just trying to understand, is all.

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Scot Kamins
Maintaining the Modern Library collectors website
at http://www.ModernLib.com
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Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

> Salinger didn't want this material republished, ever; he has
> every legal right to prevent it; and he's a litigious SOB.

It's true that in 1974 he took legal action (against the publisher and
against bookstores) to prevent these stories from circulating, but
perhaps he's past caring now. As someone else has pointed out, they are
being sold on ABE, and someone has even (quite illegally) made pretty
much all of his work - including these stories - available online:

http://www.terebess.hu/english/salinger.html

If he, or any appointed agents, were even half-interested in protecting
his legal rights, surely they'd come down on that site like a ton of
bricks. The fact that they don't suggests that he's not monitoring
copyright infringement, etc., and isn't employing anyone else to do so
on his behalf.

John
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In article <5q9jf1Fuu8phU1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>,
"John R. Yamamoto-Wilson" <john.DeleteThis@rarebooksinjapan.com> wrote:

> It's true that in 1974 he took legal action (against the publisher and
> against bookstores) to prevent these stories from circulating, but
> perhaps he's past caring now. As someone else has pointed out, they are
> being sold on ABE, and someone has even (quite illegally) made pretty
> much all of his work - including these stories - available online:
>
> http://www.terebess.hu/english/salinger.html

This whole thing brings up the question if whether any individual or
business can be sued for selling any published book.

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Scot Kamins
Maintaining the Modern Library collectors website
at http://www.ModernLib.com
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On Nov 19, 7:30 pm, Scot Kamins <scot.kam... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <5q9jf1Fuu8p... DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
> "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson" <j... DeleteThis @rarebooksinjapan.com> wrote:
>
> > It's true that in 1974 he took legal action (against the publisher and
> > against bookstores) to prevent these stories from circulating, but
> > perhaps he's past caring now. As someone else has pointed out, they are
> > being sold on ABE, and someone has even (quite illegally) made pretty
> > much all of his work - including these stories - available online:
>
> >http://www.terebess.hu/english/salinger.html
>
> This whole thing brings up the question if whether any individual or
> business can be sued for selling any published book.

Absolutely they can be sued. ANYONE can sue anybody for anything.
Doesn't mean they'll win though!
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"Scot Kamins" <scot.kamins.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> This whole thing brings up the question if whether any individual or
> business can be sued for selling any published book.

That's not much of a question. In the US you can be sued for any number of
things related to selling books, eg, fraud; trading in stolen books; and
such like. In certain third world countries you can be punished merely
possesing certain books, eg, in Germany Mein Kampf in banned. And I suspect
without knowing definitively that it's not a good idea to have Salman
Rushdie in for a book signing in Tehran.
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On 2007-11-16, Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

>>>> We (i.e. the charity shop I work for) have been given a copy of the
>>>> second printing of The Complete Uncollected Stories of J.D. Salinger.
>>>> Fine condition. Probably worth us sending it for auction (we don't
>>>> do EBay for corporate reasons) - if an auction house will take it.
>>>> It isn't all that rare, but do bad legal things happen to people who
>>>> try to sell copies?
>>> Why should they?
>
> Because Salinger didn't want this material republished, ever; he
> has every legal right to prevent it; and he's a litigious SOB.

Can he legally prevent secondhand copies from circulating?

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>> Because Salinger didn't want this material republished, ever; he
>> has every legal right to prevent it; and he's a litigious SOB.
> Can he legally prevent secondhand copies from circulating?

Almost certainly. Dent came down on somebody in the UK trying to
resell a pirate edition of Dylan Thomas's Collected Poems. The
dealer had bought up the entire run from somewhere; effectively
they were just acting as a distributor. There can't be any legal
difference between "new" and "second-hand" in this situation, or
else any pirate would be able to launder their productions through
the "used" market.

But if Salinger or his representatives haven't done anything about
this pirate edition for decades we can't have much to worry about.

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On Nov 16, 8:23 pm, Scot Kamins <scot.kam....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <0fe6c154-9ae5-4a83-a6e6-b7bcfe763....DeleteThis@f13g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RF <fwdi....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Why would he describe the condition as "fine" or say it is "not rare"
> > if a Xerox?
>
> Donno, Bob. Just trying to understand, is all.

He's got me scratching my head over that'
posted ball of confusion too. Exactly what
in hades is this chap trying to say?!!
>
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> Scot Kamins
> Maintaining the Modern Library collectors website
> athttp://www.ModernLib.com
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On Nov 19, 4:30 pm, Scot Kamins <scot.kam....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <5q9jf1Fuu8p....DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>,
> "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson" <j....DeleteThis@rarebooksinjapan.com> wrote:
>
> > It's true that in 1974 he took legal action (against the publisher and
> > against bookstores) to prevent these stories from circulating, but
> > perhaps he's past caring now. As someone else has pointed out, they are
> > being sold on ABE, and someone has even (quite illegally) made pretty
> > much all of his work - including these stories - available online:
>
> >http://www.terebess.hu/english/salinger.html
>
> This whole thing brings up the question if whether any individual or
> business can be sued for selling any published book.

I can't say for a fact it has never been done,
but it is very difficult to do in the U. S. because
you quickly get into weighty constitutional
questions involving things like "public good"
and "restraint of trade".
>
> --
> Scot Kamins
> Maintaining the Modern Library collectors website
> athttp://www.ModernLib.com
 >> Stay informed about: uncollected Salinger and his ravening lawyers 

>> This whole thing brings up the question if whether any individual
>> or business can be sued for selling any published book.
> I can't say for a fact it has never been done, but it is very
> difficult to do in the U. S. because you quickly get into weighty
> constitutional questions involving things like "public good" and
> "restraint of trade".

It's absolutely routine for publishers to chase after anyone involved
in (anything that can legally be construed as) plagiarism of their
products. They can even do it in China - seen a copy of "Harry Potter
and the Filler of Big" lately? (Look at the WIPO site).

============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
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